January 5, 2009
Winter Leagues Stats Wrap (1/5/08)
Arizona Fall League (FINAL):
RHP Doug Fister: 11 G, 0-0, 3.32 ERA in 19.0 IP, 20 H, 7 R (7 ER), 20/7 K/BB, 2 HB
OF Gregory Halman: 21 G, 83 AB, 15 R, 18 H, 3 2B, 2 3B, 3 HR, 10 RBI, 5 SB, CS, 37/2 K/BB, .211/.244/.410
RHP Gaby Hernandez: 8 G (8 GS), 2-5, 7.67 ERA in 29.1 IP, 33 H (5 HR), 25 R (25 ER), 24/14 K/BB, 4 HB
C Rob Johnson: 16 G, 48 AB, 4 R, 11 H, 2 2B, 2 HR, 3 RBI, SB, 8/2 K/BB, .229/.260/.396
RHP Stephen Kahn: 10 G (GS), 0-1, S, 8.79 ERA in 14.1 IP, 18 H (4 HR), 14 R (14 ER), 10/9 K/BB, HB
IF Carlos Triunfel: 25 G, 104 AB, 18 R, 31 H, 7 2B, HR, 10 RBI, SB, 4 CS, 16/7 K/BB, .298/.339/.394
LHP Jason Vargas: 9 G (GS), 1-0, 2.10 ERA in 25.2 IP, 20 H (HR), 7 R (6 ER), 13/5 K/BB
RHP Joe Woerman: 11 G, 1-1, 8.71 ERA in 11.1 IP, 18 H (2 HR), 15 R (20 ER), 6/9 K/BB, 3 HB
Colombian Winter League (FINAL):
C Cesar del Rio: 15 G, 28 AB, 3 R, 5 H, 2 RBI, 5/0 K/BB, .179/.179/.179
Dominican Winter League (FINAL):
3B Leury Bonilla: 4 G, 6 AB, R, 2 H, 2B, 2 RBI, 0/1 K/BB, .333/.333/.500
UT Callix Crabbe: 11 G, 16 AB, 6 R, 5 H, 2 2B, 3 RBI, 7/2 K/BB, 2 SB, .313/.389/.438
OF Wellington Dotel: 2 G, 3 AB, RBI, 1/1 K/BB, .000/.400/.000
OF Freddy Guzman: 44 G, 155 AB, 33 R, 41 H, 7 2B, 3B, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 21/16 K/BB, 19 SB, 2 CS, .265/.331/.361
RHP Luis Munoz: G, 0-1, 36.00 ERA in 1.0 IP, 4 H (2 HR), 4 R (4 ER)
SS Carlos Triunfel: 6 G, 5 AB, R, 2 H, RBI, 1/0 K/BB, .400/.400/.400
Hawaiian Winter League (FINAL):
RHP Rob Harmon: 11 G, 0-0, 9.42 in 14.1 IP, 19 H (HR), 15 R (15 ER), 7/9 K/BB, 4 HB
OF Johan Limonta: 21 G, 75 AB, 8 R, 11 H, 2 2B, HR, 7 RBI, SB, CS, 27/6 K/BB, .147/.220/.213
OF James McOwen: 24 G, 83 AB, 17 R, 21 H, 6 2B, 2 3B, HR, 10 RBI, 2 SB, 2 CS, 17/13 K/BB, .253/.361/.410
RHP Stephen Richard: 8 G, 0-0, 1.93 ERA in 14.0 IP, 9 H (HR), 3 R (3 ER), 17/6 K/BB
Mexican Pacific League (FINAL):
C Israel Nunez: 16 G, 24 AB, 6 R, 3 H, 2B, 5/3 K/BB, CS, .125/.250/.167
LHP Jose Rios: 3 G, 0-0, 3.00 ERA in 3.0 IP, H, R (ER), 2/1 K/BB
IF Chris Woodward: 39 G, 126 AB, 22 R, 30 H, 3 2B, HR, 8 RBI, 31/13 K/BB, .238/.310/.286
Puerto Rican Winter League (FINAL):
SS Jeffery Dominguez: 16 G, 37 AB, 6 R, 10 H, 2B, RBI, 8/7 K/BB, SB, 2 CS, .270/.378/.297
IF Erick Monzon: 11 G, 31 AB, 2 R, 5 H, 2B, 9/2 K/BB, .161/.212/.194
Venezuelan Winter League (FINAL):
RHP Andy Baldwin: 5 G (5 GS), 2-2, 8.44 ERA in 21.1 IP, 34 H (2 HR), 20 R (20 ER), 16/8 K/BB
1B Mike Carp: 17 G, 50 AB, 7 R, 13 H, 2 2B, 3 HR, 13 RBI, CS, 14/9 K/BB, .260/.403/.480
OF Ezequiel Carrera: 10 G, 11 AB, R, 2 H, SB, 2/1 K/BB, .182/.250/.182
OF Endy Chavez: 27 G, 104 AB, 20 R, 29 H, 3 2B, 2 HR, 11 RBI, 12/13 K/BB, 2 SB, .279/.356/.365
IF Reegie Corona: 30 G, 59 AB, 13 R, 18 H, 6 2B, HR, 10 RBI, SB, 6/4 K/BB, .305/.349/.458
OF Franklin Gutierrez: 33 G, 119 AB, 21 R, 33 H, 4 2B, 3B, 5 HR, 19 RBI, 28/14 K/BB, 3 SB, .277/.365/.454
RHP Chris Jakubauskas: 12 G (12 GS), 4-5, 5.16 ERA in 66.1 IP, 72 H (11 HR), 40 R (38 ER), 50/22 K/BB, HB
LHP Cesar Jimenez: 9 G (7 GS), 2-2, 4.55 ERA in 27.2 IP, 31 H (2 HR), 22 R (14 ER), 22/13 K/BB, 2 HB
RHP Shawn Kelley: 13 G, 2-1, 9 S, 3.68 ERA in 14.2 IP, 14 H (HR), 6 R (6 ER), 21/2 K/BB
2B Jose Lopez: 28 G, 109 AB, 26 R, 38 H, 9 2B, 6 HR, 34 RBI, 12/13 K/BB, SB, .349/.427/.596
OF Mike Morse: 41 G, 155 AB, 26 R, 48 H, 9 2B, 8 HR, 30 RBI, 35/8 K/BB, 2 SB, 3 CS, .310/.353/.523
SS Oswaldo Navarro: 18 G, 38 G, 5 R, 13 H, 7 RBI, SB, 7/1 K/BB, .342/.350/.342
C Blake Ochoa: 16 G, 39 AB, 3 R, 10 H, 2 2B, 2 HR, 6 RBI, 9/2 K/BB, .256/.293/.462
C Luis Oliveros: 40 G, 123 AB, 11 R, 33 H, 9 2B, HR, 25 RBI, 13/5 K/BB, CS, .268/.311/.366
RHP Ricky Orta: 13 G (2 GS), 0-3, S, 2.83 ERA in 28.2 IP, 21 H (4 HR), 9 R (9 ER), 38/4 K/BB
OF Prentice Redman: 22 G, 77 AB, 15 R, 19 H, 4 2B, 5 HR, 16 RBI, 21/10 K/BB, .247/.337/.494
LHP Justin Thomas: 12 G, 0-0, 3.97 ERA in 11.1 IP, 9 H (HR), 5 R (5 ER), 6/7 K/BB, HB
RHP Tracy Thorpe: 13 G (10 GS), 3-1, 5.40 ERA in 46.1 IP, 55 H (3 HR), 28 R (28 ER), 33/22 K/BB, 7 HB
3B Matt Tuiasosopo: 12 G, 40 AB, 6 R, 8 H, 5 2B, 3B, 8 RBI, 2 CS, 16/5 K/BB, .200/.304/.375
RHP Jared Wells: 5 G, 0-0, S, 7.71 ERA in 4.2 IP, 6 H, 5 R (4 ER), 4/7 K/BB
I'd apologize for the delay in stats wrap, but the seasons actually ended shortly after I did my last update, so we're not missing much. They started bringing in younger players and Edilio Colina and Jose Rivero got an at-bat apiece, but it's not enough to get either listed. Jose Lopez will end the LVBP season with an OPS over 1.000, but the other big news of the week was Cesar del Rio collecting five singles in his last eight at-bats, so you know we're scraping at this point.
I'll be using this post as a bit of a catch-all for other bits of news too brief to make posts out of, while getting to other pieces that are later. The latest minor league pick-up by the Mariners is Eric Hull, who qualifies as the "local guy" acquisition of the offseason for being born in Yakima and going to the University of Portland. He's had some solid strikeout numbers over his career, but his command hasn't been great overall. He had a cup of coffee with the Dodgers back in 2007. He's been a slight flyball pitcher for his career. The latest register also includes the Phillies picking up former M's farmhands Justin Lehr and Casey Craig, while the Rays signed Douglas Salinas.
In international news, or rather, news outside of the Caribbean area, there are rumors going around now that an east coast team has upped their offer to Taiwanese left-hander Fu-de Ni to include $150,000 and a start in triple-A. Unless the Mariners increase their offer, Ni will probably take up the new one. The only complication there is that the remaining teams in the CPBL held a special draft to allocate the players that belonged to the two teams that folded and Ni was picked second overall, so whoever does pick him up may have to negotiate with them. Staying in Taiwan for a moment, it looks like the preliminary WBC rosters are up for Taiwan and the M's will be represented by Kuo-hui Lo. Yung-chi Chen wasn't on there anyway.
The last newsbits I have for the week are related to catching. One comes from Lance, who found a local paper article on Travis Scott, who missed time last season from cracked ribs and a pulled groin, which would account for the 54 at-bats in May and 29 at-bats in July. Scott has been a prospect of some interest to me since he joined the system, but I'm less concerned about his injuries as to what extent the home park has been helping him. Scott hit .328/.389/.563 at home last year while hitting just .216/.295/.341 on the road. What makes this especially strange is that his home batting average on balls in play is nearly a hundred points higher than it is on the road, leading me to wonder if he had a swing that he used at home that couldn't be adapted to play elsewhere. If you use the Minor League Splits calculator to neutralize both park and luck, he still has more of an advantage at home, with a +.031/.021/.096 advantage on the line. It seems he sees the ball better on the road and takes more pitches, but is more aggressive at the plate at home, resulting in more extra-base hits. Going through the High Desert Mavericks roster accounting for these factors would amount to a whole study, but suffice to say, I'm not pleased about being there for another two years.
The other catching news is BA compiling a list of catchers by their passed balls in a season, with Adam Moore and Rob Johnson among the worst offenders. Johnson surprises me a bit considering that he's been regarded as the system's best defensive catcher for some time now and was actually worse than Moore in this category. Moore surprises me less given what I've seen of him, but he could fall into the Clement category of tremendous work ethic and abilities that fall just short, though he's likely to be the superior defender in the end. The question remains of whether or not this is especially relevant, but be prepared, for the days of hockey goalie catchers are likely behind us for good.
Discussion
7 Comments on "Winter Leagues Stats Wrap (1/5/08)"
#1
Posted by marc w., January 6, 2009 4:25 PM
I mentioned this at LL or USSM (can't quite remember), but Rob Johnson's something of a special case.
There's not a ton in his statistics that would indicate stellar defense. He's occasionally been good at throwing out runners, though not consistently (still has a quick releas). The PB problem is real; I saw him give up three consecutive PBs to score a runner from first. I often remember it occurring in about 6 pitches total, which probably isn't true, but there you go. He also makes his fair share of errors; he's a bit old to have so many mental lapses, but there it is.
Anyway, the point is, Johnson's reputation is based on how he handles pitchers and calls a game (and some of it is based on throwing out would-be base stealers). That means his reputation cannot possibly be 'validated' by stats. It's tough, because I think this hurts his real-world trade value. But man, the guy is beloved by a lot of people in the org and I think that means something.
#2
Posted by Jay Yencich in reply to comment from marc w., January 6, 2009 6:13 PM
I probably meant to say something to that effect. Thanks for clearing that up. I think I've heard similar stories regarding Moore's defense, which I've not been a fan of since seeing him in Everett and watch him lose a ball that was underneath him the whole time. I don't think that ultimately changed how pitchers felt throwing to him however, or his leadership ability behind the plate. It would be interesting to get a cERA (or some more defensively relevant statistic) out of minor league catchers, but I don't think that will be happening any time soon.
#4
Posted by Jay Yencich in reply to comment from Shields, January 9, 2009 6:18 AM
That's the way I've been seeing other sites doing it, top prospects lists going into the 2009 season. I haven't decided which one I prefer yet, but it made sense at the time.
#5
Posted by Shields, January 10, 2009 10:49 PM
No no.. the date you put on this post. Should be 2009.
#6
Posted by Brodie, February 2, 2009 2:06 PM
I don't know much about the winter leagues so...
Jose Lopez obviously excelled, but what kind of pitching was he seeing? As far as expectations are concerned relative the the talent in that league would you say he did exactly what he was supposed to do or should he have done better or worse?
Who greatly exceeded expectations this winter?
#7
Posted by Jay Yencich in reply to comment from Brodie, February 2, 2009 3:08 PM
Venezuelan Winter League pitching is very roughly equivalent to high minors pitching, somewhere between double and triple-A, so the expectation is that he should be able to hit it at what we would perceive as an above-average level and anyone who is doing it at the level he was is exceeding expectations. Morse did all right as well, but Gutierrez was perhaps average and the rest didn't have much in the way of returns. Only four of the twelve hitters there could really be called major leaguers anyway (and I'm being generous with Morse), so this isn't necessarily a problem. Of course, had Valbuena stayed in system, he was certainly hitting with the kind of authority that would bode well for him winning a job later.


















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