Cameron Suspended, Schilling Mentions Braves
Update: According to Tom Krasovic, Mike Cameron has been designated as a Class B free agent. Elias has yet to make public the rankings for free agents so the best bet is that there was some leak of the information. I wouldn’t be totally sure that this was correct but it seems likely and with the new system, the Braves would not lose any picks by signing Cameron. However, with this suspension, I still doubt the Braves will sign him.
- Mike Cameron, a Georgia native who lives in the Atlanta area, has been suspended 25 games for testing positive for banned stimulants. Speculation that the Braves might be targeting the former Padres center fielder has been popping up over the last couple months, with many baseball writers believing he would play for the Braves at a hometown discount. Besides the fact that he was pretty miserable offensively this past season (.241/.328/.431 with 160 strikeouts) and that he would cost the Braves a first-round draft pick next year, this severely cuts down the likelihood of Cameron in a Braves uniform next year and the amount of money that he could get on the open market. I still think all signs are pointing to Brent Lillibridge if they are satisfied with his defense this winter and during spring training.
- Curt Schilling wrote in his blog that the Braves are one of the twelve teams he would consider pitching for next season besides the Red Sox. I think that this is much like Torii Hunter’s comment that he would like to play in Atlanta. That is all well and good, but the Braves more than likely won’t be able to afford either of them. Schilling only pitched about 150 innings this year with Boston but with a 3.87 ERA and over a 4:1 K/BB ratio, the minimum most people expect him to get is about $13 million for one year.
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56 Responses to “Cameron Suspended, Schilling Mentions Braves”
October 31st, 2007 at 3:29 pm
Wouldn’t the fact that Cameron got suspended, thus lowering the amount he can ask for on the open market, make him *more* likely to come to Atlanta, especially for only a year?
October 31st, 2007 at 3:55 pm
I agree with Brandon.
Also, I read that Cameron has been classified as a type B free agent and there’s also the possibility that the Padre’s won’t offer him arbitration because he may accept it if the market for her services decreases.
October 31st, 2007 at 3:56 pm
“her” should be “his”
October 31st, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Not really. It would be Cameron, who now has been caught with stimulants twice and the Braves having to find a center fielder for the first 25 games would make it less likely. The Braves generally have not brought on players with baggage (Sheffield and the likes are exceptions) so this probably makes it less likely even with a lower salary.
October 31st, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Elias hasn’t released the rankings to my knowledge but with the new draft pick compensation rules from last season, if he is a class B free agent, the Braves have nothing to lose by signing him in terms of picks. However, and this may depend on the amount of money put towards the rotation, I still don’t think the Braves front the $5+ million over 3 years to sign Cameron especially after this.
October 31st, 2007 at 4:12 pm
I woudn’t give him anything over 2 years. And I would even be hesitant about doing that.
October 31st, 2007 at 4:29 pm
I wish we could sign Schilling. He is actually a good postseason pitcher throughout his career, and Glavine is not(other than Game 6 of the 95 World Series). But we wont be able to pay 13 million though. We should only pay Glavine 6 million at the most.
October 31st, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Sorry to break it to you, but Glavine will cost more than $6 million
October 31st, 2007 at 4:52 pm
D Jackson and Commings are UGA bulldawgs!
commited today
October 31st, 2007 at 6:01 pm
with MLB .com doing so well 30 million dollars is coming to braves! (and every other team)
enough for a Peavy or Johan
October 31st, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Well, Sam McGuffie committed to Michigan a couple days ago. In case you haven’t seen him, I really suggest watching this and by the way, he is white.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s
And as far as the 30 million, what?
October 31st, 2007 at 6:44 pm
here are a couple articles anout the 30 million
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/angels-talk-to-.html
http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/31/note-mlbcom-pays-money/
October 31st, 2007 at 6:45 pm
idk if it went though but basically mlb .com has made so much money that mlb will be giving 30+ million dollars to each team
October 31st, 2007 at 6:58 pm
nice video ive like Sam McG for a while now but question the quality of competion in michigan.
by the way i love the quote “by the way, hes white” lol
now for UGA we need to close this recruiting class with 3 or 4 of the folliwing….Cordy Glenn, zebrie sanders, Josh Jarboe, M Patchan, Vinston Painter, Antione McClain, AJ Harmon, Barret Jones,Chris Tolliver, Omar Hunter,Ryan Williams , and hopefully Arthur Brown (doubtful). Deandre Brown is my sleeper. Hes a 6′6 wr and by the way hes black. lol
i love recruiting!
October 31st, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Ehh, won’t make really any difference besides a greater difference between the top teams who will spend it and the bottom teams whose owners will keep it for profit. Really though, most of the teams now have it so that just means contracts would increase but no real change.
October 31st, 2007 at 7:19 pm
I’ve never seen a white guy run like that. I mean there is one white running back in the NFL. ONE! Anyway, McGufee is from Texas and plays in the best high school football conference in the country.
October 31st, 2007 at 7:33 pm
this is going to sound racist but black athletes are more physically gifted.
October 31st, 2007 at 8:24 pm
It doesn’t sound racist, it is racist.
October 31st, 2007 at 8:55 pm
It isn’t racist at all. As much as we would like to think that all races are created exactly the same, it just isn’t true. The history of specific races or types of people has shaped them along the evolutionary path. It is actually quite accepted that Charles’ statement is true.
October 31st, 2007 at 8:56 pm
By the way, the Elias rankings were just released today. Mike Cameron is a class B so we will not lose a pick if we were to sign him, Ron Mahay is a B so we get a sandwich pick, Dotel is not ranked, and surprisingly for some of you guys, Chuck James is actually rated as class A but of course he is not a free agent.
November 1st, 2007 at 12:31 am
Any chance the Braves go after Mariano Rivera and solidify the closer spot? Also….who are some free agent pitchers/tradeable pitchers besides Glavine that the Braves might be looking at?
November 1st, 2007 at 3:40 am
If you read your National Geographic you would know there is no such thing as human races except in the Olympics.
Secondly, I agree with Will on Cameron, the Braves will definitely not sign him.
Third, I would go for Glavine, around 8 mil. tops.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:53 am
What are you talking about? Of course there are human races. Why do you think it is called RACism.
Some other pitchers that could be made available are Blanton, Lowry, and a couple others. The possibilities are much lower without Renteria but even he wouldn’t have been enough to get quite a few of them.
No chance whatsoever of us going after Mariano. Rumor is that the Yankees will offer him 3 years and $40 million to stay which would make him pretty easily the top paid closer in baseball at just over $13 million a season. Way too much for most teams.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:59 am
SHI* Glavine was ranked an A….That means most likely were going to give our 18th pick to the mets!!!
no way
I put my foot down
November 1st, 2007 at 6:03 am
Will,
would our pick be protected? orwould we really lose our 18th pick to a team that will pay the 5 million to grab the guy who fell cuz of signing worries.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:02 am
We wouldn’t lose our pick for either of them I think. I do not believe the Mets offered Glavine salary arbitration and since Cameron is a B, the Padres only get a sandwich pick and not a pick from the Braves. Only the top 15 picks are protected though.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:04 am
Sorry for the lack of posting the past couple days. I’ll start back up with all-time third base tonight and hopefully another bullpen preview tonight or tomorrow.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:58 am
It seems clear the Braves are going to go with Lillibridge or Shaefer in CF possibly backed up by Willie Harris or another middling CF acquired by trade such as Coco Crisp. They aren’t going to pay $12-15 million for Torii Hunter or Mike Cameron.
I would be all for Schilling if I could believe he would stay healthy enough to pitch 200 innings, but I can’t so I’d rather have old Mr. Reliable, Tommy Glavine.
November 1st, 2007 at 8:06 am
Jurrjens also gives us a good bit of insurance if we were to keep him in the minors. In the event one of our starters doesn’t give us 200 innings (likely), we now have a legit major league ready prospect starter and don’t have to rely on a guy like Bennet or Carlyle., who was the exception but certainly not the rule.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:41 am
Speaking of the Elias ratings, Andruw is a Type B. Who woulda thunk it? MLBTradeRumors thinks the Braves got screwed, but who will really take it in the shorts is Boras … and Andruw, of course. $20 MM a year? Ha!
Still don’t think the Braves would offer him arbitration or a one-year deal — the Pres made that pretty clear when he left the GM role.
November 1st, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Yeah, unfortunately we won’t be getting any picks for Andruw but NEVER underestimate Boras’ incredible ability to talk his way into a huge and ridiculous deal.
November 1st, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Will, dude please explain to me why these guys here are type A free agents and Andruw is a Type B free agent? I know Andruw struggled this year but still.
Brian Giles 73.258 A
Milton Bradley 72.809 A
Ken Griffey Jr. 72.809 A
Austin Kearns 72.135 A
How are they type A free agents? Unbelieveable!!! This system is pathedic.
November 1st, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Of course I know that Griffey, Giles, and Kearns are not free agents but I mentioned them anyway.
November 1st, 2007 at 2:17 pm
There is a formula that elias has come up with to determind that however the specifics are not known. I think this year more than any shows quite a flaw though.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Yeah. Hunter is a Type A, but Andruw has had a way better career than Hunter other than THIS year. MLB has to change this next year.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:11 pm
on the topic of racism, racism is defined as the belief that one race is inherently different than another, therefore when you say that black athletes are more gifted, it is racist. That being said, although racism can be an ugly thing, racism isn’t always a meant to slander an entire group of people. It’s just a statement of difference. It’s like comparing the cultures of different countries. From a genetics point of view, racism is just a fact(or at least a trend). I can’t speak for will, but I personally didn’t think his statement was meant as a targeted insult to a specific group of people.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:57 pm
What do the worlds fastest runner, highest jumper, best marathon runner….there all black. its just genetics; nothing personal just genetics
November 1st, 2007 at 4:21 pm
That last little bit was just a tad much.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:26 pm
haha u edited it even though i bleeped it out?
November 1st, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Just talk ball, you guys. You’re wrong and you sound like knuckle-draggers.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:08 pm
whats a knuckle dragger
November 1st, 2007 at 5:11 pm
o i just looked up knuckle dragger and thats not cool.
“1. knuckle dragger
Stereotypical and racially prejudice term referring to people of African decent. Stems from the idea of these people having long, monkey like arms.
This is the first time a knuckle dragger has showed up at a party in this neighborhood.”
November 1st, 2007 at 5:18 pm
The symbolism is intended to compare one to a neanderthal.
In this case, the usage would be to describe this conversation as one that would take place between two cousin-dating hill-folk.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Nope we just got on the subject. We’re not saying anything less of anyone here or I’m at least not singling out one race. All I am saying is that because of historical differences, it has caused the evolution of each race to change a little bit. There is nothing derogatory or negative about that. It just happens to be true.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:05 pm
and in the Heavy Weight Bout…..
Charles and Will vs. JJ Schiller and TMAC
haha
lets end this subject
November 1st, 2007 at 6:11 pm
i dont think its racist to say that black athletes are more physically gifted. People think any statement is racist if you use ‘black person’ in it. Its stating a fact, its not meant to be racist.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Telling me it’s true doesn’t make it true, Will.
It isn’t true. I can’t believe the arrogance. I read this blog and I see how you spout your opinion as fact, and I’m fine with it because it’s your blog. No sense in me pointing out that you aren’t right just because you say you’re right.
But in this case you sound ridiculous. Read a flipping book, man, or just try google. “Race Anthropology.”
The concept of race has absolutely no foundation in science.
There are multitudes of studies that conclude that social definitions of race lead to no variation of genetic code.
You can tell me that it “appears” to you to be true. That doesn’t make it true. And to dismissively say ‘Of course it’s true’ or to say ‘it’s just genetics’ when it, in fact, is NOT GENETICS shows pure ignorance of the topic and an arrogance of opinion.
When you say ‘Black people are more athletic’ because in your observation that seems to be the case, and you ask me to accept that because ‘it’s just genetics,’ it means I have to also accept the opinion of the knuckle-dragger who says ‘black people are less civilized,’ because their observations tell them that more blacks being convicted of crimes. That isn’t genetics.
Can you find an anthropologist who believes race does exist on a genetic level? Certainly. But there is clear common concensus amongst anthropologic researchers that race is simply a social definition, and does not exist on a genetic level.
Are there physical differences in appearance based on populations and locations of evolutionary history? Yes. But these are not deep-seated evolutionary traits. They are genetic variables that occur in EVERY population, simply in different concentrations. There is no ‘Athletic’ gene that belongs to one race and no another, because there is no gene variable that exists in one population and no other.
A race, in genetic terms, would be a sub-species. This would require that a select population posses genetic variables that don’t occur in other ‘races’ of the same species. AND IT ISN’T THE CASE. THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH THAT REFLECTS THAT.
As far as athletic ability is concerned across a spectrum of populations, it’s a matter of culture, not of genetics. You can try to spew off some form ’selection’ argument, but that is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is, there is no scientific fact that supports the concept of ‘race’ as it relates to genetics.
You’re just wrong.
Now, like I said, get back to things you know about. Just talk baseball.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:25 pm
I’m not arguing that it’s racist.
I’m arguing that it’s factually inaccurate.
The statement about knuckle-dragging is not to call people who make this argument racists, it’s to say that they are ignorant because they spout factual inaccuracies as being true.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:42 pm
When did I say black people were more athletic?
Secondly, are you reading what I am saying? It is a fact that races have differences through evolution based mostly on where that particular race is from and what conditions. Unless you don’t believe in evolution, this should make perfect sense. It may not be huge things but there are small factors generally attributed to races because of what factors throughout history they have been exposed to. Take for example races that lived around the equator. Over the thousands of years, their skin darkened to protect them against a much stronger sun and now those with darker skin don’t get sun burned nearly as easily. It is just a fact and it is because of EVOLUTION. Wonderful thing. Look at who always wins the big marathons. Someone from Kenya or another african country. Why? Because while Europeans were settled in communities with animals that were employed to get people around, the lifestyle of africans for most of history meant they would have to run in between villages and over time they have become much more proficient at it than Europeans. Every species has this so to assume that humans are different is a bit ignorant.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:22 pm
….um…..ah……How bout them Braves?……..
November 1st, 2007 at 7:38 pm
Charles, Exactly! How bout them Braves.
November 1st, 2007 at 8:10 pm
post the next article so we can start a fresh braves chat
November 1st, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Yes Will, it’s obvious that I don’t believe in evolution. It’s not like I just wrote 250 words about evolution.
Charles said ‘Black athletes are more gifted’ and you said it’s true.
You’re ignoring what I’m saying. There are no races. Race, genetically, does not exist.
And as far as evolution: evolution only occurs in situations where a specifc trait allows a majority of individuals to acquire a breeding advantage over individuals that do not require that trait. And the difference in breeding advantage determines the relative speed of the evolution. To develop darker skin, many individuals had to die of skin cancer before an age where they could breed, until all surviving individuals had dark skin… This is actually probably a reverse affect, as our species started in Africa. It is much more likely that further from the equator it stopped being a genetic advantage, and those with lighter skin began living longer until the overall skintone of the population lightened.
You want to tell me africans are different because of the typical nose shape. Well, that’s because in a hot place, it was a distinct advantage to have access to more air with each breath, thus wider flatter noses.
In cold weather of eastern Europe, it’s a distinct advantage to have a longer thinner nose, which would warm the cold air slightly before it reached your lungs.
I understand all of that.
But on a scale as wide as evolution.. We’re talking thousands or millions of years. One hundred thousand years ago, life was tough EVERYWHERE. That’s why we’re ALL naturally covered from head to toe in muscle. ALL peoples of all different evolutionary backgrounds are descended from athletic persons. Or else they wouldn’t have lived long enough to breed.
If you’re going to tell me a black person makes a better running back because his ancestors were running from lions, and a white person makes a better linebacker because his ancestors were tackling mastadons, well you’ll just sound foolish. What you call ‘races’ don’t exist. But using that terminology, all ‘races’ come from athletic backgrounds.
Kenyan marathoners might be considered a special case. Although, Kenyans did not evolve to run marathons. Individual Kenyans develop the ability to run marathons because they live in an oxygen depleted environment (Mountains), and their lungs adapt.
Can you say that they are born with an advantage then, because increased lung capacity and a decellerated use of oxygen have been distinct breeding advantages? Yes, you can argue that. But you’re picking the outlier. You’re choosing a sport based completely on sustained endurance.
Today, if there’s a difference in trends, it’s due to culture. Not genetics.
So let me ask you this: Why are there so many central american athletes in major league baseball? There is absolutely no central american evolutionary background. NOBODY evolved in central america. So why are there so many central american athletes?
Culture.
You want to know why there are so many african-american atheltes? The answer is socio-economic, not evolutionary. It’s culture.
To put it most simply: You give me two kids, aged 12. One grew up with cable TV and the other one didnt… I don’t care who’s black and who’s white, the kid who never had cable will win in a foot race. Because his whole life he entertained himself by playing outside.
November 1st, 2007 at 9:31 pm
the last point is totally off base
i took a trip to Honduras about when i was 14. I was faster than them.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Cool.
November 5th, 2007 at 11:27 am
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/05-02-18.html#race
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