Jeff Bennett has begun his minor league rehab assignment. (Will Schaffer)
Braves Injury Updates
With a mere six days left until the trade deadline and no indication of which direction the team is headed, Atlanta’s injury situation could mean just as much as the team’s performance over the next six games. Here is an update of Frank Wren’s extensive and expensive disabled list:
- Chipper Jones will more than likely miss the entire Philadelphia series and could end up on the DL according to Mark Bowman of mlb.com. Having the team’s best hitter out for any significant time would effectively end any chance of the Braves being buyers at the deadline but a return during the Cardinals series seems likely.
- Tim Hudson left Wednesday’s start after only 68 pitches with right elbow tightness but expects to make his next start against St. Louis. Bowman says that Hudson isn’t worried about there being any structural damage in the elbow.
- Bowman’s article also brings good news with Tom Glavine. The veteran southpaw threw a 50-pitch bullpen session on Friday and will throw a simulated game on Wednesday. Barring any setbacks, Glavine is scheduled to return in Mid-August.
- Right-hander Jeff Bennett made his third appearance for Myrtle Beach on his rehab assignment. Bobby Cox’s ground ball specialist has now pitched three innings, allowing two hits, striking out two, and has retired the other seven batters he’s faced on ground ball outs. If Frank Wren moves a reliever at the deadline, Bennett seems likely to slip back into Atlanta’s pen.
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25 Responses to “Braves Injury Updates”
July 26th, 2008 at 12:29 am
What yall think about the Nady and Marte to the Yankees deal? I dont think it was as bad as many say it was though. Cause if Nady comes down to earth and Tabata tears it up next year instantly Tabata is a top prospect again. If this is just a fluke year for Nady and Tabata turns into the prospect he once was thought to be then this is a good trade for the Pirates also. This trade depends on if Tabata realizes his potential or not. Remember Tabata is still only 19 and in AA. Not too bad.
July 26th, 2008 at 12:32 am
The Pirates got HOSED!!! I like Tabata as a prospect. He’s struggling with some injuries this year but he is a plus defender at a premium position, projectable, has good plate discipline, and is a 19-year old in double-A. That being said, they could have gotten a ton more for those two players.
July 26th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Dude Nady aint all that and a GM would be foolish to give up alot for Nady when he DONT have a track record of being anywhere near as good as he has been this year. And if Nady regresses to what he was before this year he will only command a B status. Sure Marte is good and might command a A status. Yes they might could have gotten more but if Tabata becomes the player expected then looks like a even trade to me. Its too early to tell about this trade from the Pirates side. The Yankees did good though and definately could have afforded to give up what they gave up. Good job by the Yankees and it could be a good job by the Pirates. We will have to wait for about a 2 or 3 years to know exactly how good or bad it was for the Pirates. No way they got hosed unless Tabata becomes a total bust which is possible.
July 26th, 2008 at 1:32 am
You realize that the formula for player rankings is comprised of the last two years’ stats, right? Regardless of whether he comes back down to earth, he is still probably going to be a type-A free agent after next season. Also, he has a career .879 OPS against left-handers and that is why the Yankees got him. He’s not all that against right-hander but he hits enough to be a league average right-fielder. They also ended up with a dominant left-handed reliever.
The Pirates ended up with a very good prospect in Tabata, a high-end bullpen arm in Ohlendorf, and two more possible future middle relievers. The problem is that they could have gotten so much more than that for those two players. It was just an absolutely bone-headed move.
July 26th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Will, yes I know its the last two years, but Nady is NOT a free agent at the end of this year. So if he stinks it up next year like Andruw did last year then he is ONLY gonna be labled a type B. He is NOT guaranteed to be a type A. The dude is havin a career year at 29 years old. He has not even done this for a FULL season yet. What GM in there RIGHT mind would have given up much more than that? Now with Marte in the deal I think they should have gotten Kennedy in the deal instead of one of the pitchers but oh well. Yes the Pirates might could have gotten a little more in the deal but they could NOT have gotten alot more. No dang way would a sensible GM give up more than that.
July 26th, 2008 at 1:58 am
Yes, and if he has a normal year next year combined with this year, he’ll not only be incredibly valuable to a team that struggles against left-handed pitching, but will be a fine league-average right-fielder.
Your opinion may be that it was a fair deal but you are just wrong about them not being able to get more than that. They had Buster Olney on ESPN tonight saying that the GMs from around the league he talked to were absolutely blown away at how little the Pirates got and he pretty much said that those guys felt the Pirates got absolutely shafted. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you are a big fantasy player because this seems much more like a fantasy league trade where they seem to severely overvalue prospects.
July 26th, 2008 at 2:51 am
Actually Will, I have never played fantasy baseball before. But if he could have gotten more then WHY did he not get more then? Maybe those other GM’s are just sayin that, just to look good and if you mention what GM’s said that to Olney then the fans would not be outraged againt that GM for not tryin to get more. Dude if the Pirates could have gotten more then they WOULD have gotten more. WHY settle for this package then? Explain this one to me. You dont take lesser prospects just to take lesser prospects. Come on dude.
July 26th, 2008 at 2:58 am
There are definitely ways to get hosed in negotiations. For instance, if I say I’ll give you $20 for an xbox 360 and you come back with a couteroffer of $30, you got shafted. It just depends on whether or not he evaluated the talent level of the guys on the table correctly.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:04 am
Do any of you guys want Bay? And if so what are you willing to give up? Personally I don’t really want to be buyers 2-4 out and only two teams to jump maybe but 6.5 out with 3 teams to jump, Chipper out, Huddy questionable and Hampton pitching 2moro. I would only buy if this package could get Bay: B.Jones, Lillibridge, Locke and Rodgers.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:12 am
Yep Braves#1, they said that just to look good (note the sarcasm). Let’s see, why didn’t they get more? Because they have a rookie GM who may have been infatuated with one player, he may have just been taken by a better GM, or he may just be an idiot. Also, the reports going around were that they were asking a ton for Nady so that may have just stopped a lot of GMs from even asking. Remember when we got Rafael Soriano for HoRam? You think there were couple GMs who could have beat that offer?
There are a number of ways that a team can get shafted. It’s not as plain and simple as you are making it. Remember that there is a lot of positioning by these GMs, false rumors are leaked out a ton, and a ton of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that can affect the outcome of trades, free agents, etc. This business is a LOT more complicated than you seem to think.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:19 am
By the way, here are some threads from a pirates message board:
-”We took quantity over quality”
- “Brian Cashman screwed Huntington”
- “Now I know what it is like to be r*ped by Brian Cashman”
-”Anyone who likes this trade is a twit”
- “We got screwed”
Well, I guess the Pirates fans agree with you braves#1
July 26th, 2008 at 3:23 am
yeah, I know negotiations aren’t nearly as simple as I made it sound, but I was just making a point that in negotiations, you don’t always automatically get the best deal all the time just because. There are a lot of things that need to be executed correctly to get a deal done successfully without getting the short end of the stick.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:29 am
and to jay, I like Bay, I think he’s a good player, but I don’t know what the braves would have to give up to get him and I don’t like the idea of the braves being buyers if you’re just swapping out one good hitter for another at the end of this year with tex leaving. They need an additional bat, not just a replacement one, and I think the best way to do that right now is through the farm system. If they play their cards right this year, they can get some good minor leaguers so they can make that surge down the road that much stronger.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:02 am
I really don’t want to be buyers but if we could get him for what I proposed then why not? We could still spin off Tex and get Specs and still have a decent chance to win as well. We really won’t be giving up much Locke would be key but if we could get Chad Tracy and Jarrod Parker from the DBacks for Tex that would be perfect. Parker is better than Locke and Rodgers put together IMO. And look how our lineup would look even after that.
Blanco - CF
Escobar - SS
C. Jones - 3B
Bay - LF
McCann - C
Tracy - 1B
Frenchy - RF
Johnson - 2B
Now that’s still a lineup that could very well still compete this year and would be very good next!
July 26th, 2008 at 4:15 am
ok I guess negotiations are not as easy as I think. I guess im just enamored by Tabatas upside. I just think that alot of teams would not have given up a prospect as good as Tabata.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:19 am
I am in braves#1 boat. I fail to see what the complexities are that make it so easy to get fleeced by the Yankees. Does Shureholz go into details in his book about trades he’s made and what REALLY goes down?
July 26th, 2008 at 11:01 am
I don’t recommend Schuerholz’s book — the tone is overly smug and there isn’t a whole lot new in there, other than the fifteen minutes that Barry Bonds was a Brave. Schuerholz doesn’t really talk about how he fleeced other teams, or give a ton of information on exactly how he did what he did, but and I doubt he’d think of it as fleecing if you asked him about it. He’d probably call it being better-prepared.
My take on the trade is mixed. It’s not a great prospect haul — Tabata’s got upside, but so do a lot of young kids in the low minors, and beyond him there’s not a lot there — but on the other hand Nady isn’t a great return, a first-half player enjoying his career year at the ripe old age of 29 who appears to be best described as a platoon outfielder.
The thing is, everyone knows that you don’t trade with the Yankees if you want prospects. You trade with them if you want to shed a contract. As Jayson Stark pointed out (before the deal happened), the last time the Yankees traded real, actual prospects for someone was in the Randy Johnson deal, when they traded Javy Vasquez, Dioner Navarro, and Brad Halsey for the Big Unit.
Stark also said that the Pirates were reportedly looking for three players for Nady: “one sure thing, one good prospect and a third, more iffy, prospect,” and for Marte they wanted “to do better than the first-round pick and sandwich pick they’d get if he walks,” because they think he’ll be a Type A free agent. By their own standards, they did get hosed.
Thing is, I can’t imagine there was a team who really wanted to give up a sure thing and five other prospects just to acquire Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte. I think Pittsburgh got hurt by a weak market — they’d been trying to move these guys for months, particularly the career-yearing Nady, clearly without success — and ended up taking a deal that was way below their hopes, but they felt was the best they could do. It’s not as bad as Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton for Jose Hernandez, Matt Bruback, and Bobby Hill; and it’s not as good as Todd Ritchie and Lee Evans for Josh Fogg, Kip Wells, and Sean Lowe.
I’m not sure who would have given them a better prospect than Tabata. But considering they gave up two desirable veteran players, they had to get more back than one guy with upside, one guy with a fastball, and two guys without much to speak of. I think Huntington blinked. I’m not ready to call him incompetent yet — not like he just traded Johan Santana for Carlos Gomez — but he blinked.
July 26th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Opinion on my favorite Pirates blog, Honest Wagner, is more mixed than on the one Will quoted. The site’s author, Rowdy, writes: “sounds like Marte and Nady to New York-A for half a AA team…. Bones & Rowdy give the trade two thumbs up.” Bones says, “I like the trade. Two guys with Upside for the relatively meaningless rental of Nady and Marte. Good job, Neal.”
On the other hand, another guy says, “i can’t believe we just unloaded 2 of our 4-5 trading chips to the fuckin yankees for a bunch of guys not named Hughes or Kennedy.”
July 26th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Nady and Marte aren’t rentals, though, right? Marte has an enitrely reasonable for the Yankees 6 million option and Nady, even if he reverts to his career numbers, will be a solid outfielder next year. I still think the Yankees came out on top, but you can’t ever really tell that until the prospects either pan out or flame out.
July 26th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Unless Nady is a free agent, I guess.
July 26th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
That to me really sounds like a guy who is desperately trying to justify this trade to himself. I probably would be too if I was a Pirates fan. And no, they aren’t rentals.
July 26th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
BravesNation has been unable to beat Philly this season and the braves beat those Philadelphia Phillies for just the 2nd time this season, man they beat them in style and if we can take 2 of 3 or all 3 games from this series, man what a start it would be for the Braves after the all-star break beating Florida twice out of 3 games and beating Philly twice or even 3 times this series.This series will probably determine Atlanta’s season whether they get into October or miss a 3rd straight October.BravesNation now is the time to catch on fire if you want a shot at getting in October.
July 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
The Pirates got the short end of the stick in this trade, but it’s not like the Yanks got anything that puts them over the top.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
They’re not one-year rentals, no. As Bones says: “Two-year rental. Didn’t like Nady so much before this year.” And Marte apparently also has a $6 mill option for next year. Also, the deal has been reconfigured: it’s now Tabata, Jeff Karstens, Dan McCutcheon, and Ross Ohlendorf — Phil Coke and George Kontos are out.
Rowdy went into further detail today.
Sorry for the long quote, but I don’t think it’s overly pollyannaish.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
marte isn’t just some middle reliever. He’s been closing for the pirates lately and he’s been successful (this is a sad day for my fantasy team as he’s now behind mariano on the closing depth chart). He’s also a dominant lefty, one of the most sought after lefties in the game the past few years.
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