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No, You’re Out of Order
Slow news day.
I was reading The Hardball Times today, which eventually led me to this Retrosheet page of all known instances of a major league player batting out of order.
Care to take one guess at the former Cubs jersey-wearer who has been involved in not one, not two, but three instances of batting out of order in his career? (Yes, I’m being a bit legalistic in how I’ve phrased this…)
May 4, 1980, Dusty Baker hit in Ron Cey’s place in the order for the Dodgers, hitting into a force out that also left runners on the corner and the inning still going. Ron Cey was called out, and who came back up to bat? Baker, again. Second time being the charm, he hit a three-run homer.
August 8, 1998, and Giants’ manager Dusty Baker makes five (count ‘em, five) substitutions in the top of the sixth. Long story short, Rich Aurilia batted out of turn. The Giants weren’t the only ones confused - the Braves didn’t figure it out, but it didn’t matter. They beat the Giants 14-6.
April 16, 2004, One of the more famous Dusty Moments on the Cubs, as Baker thinks he has made a double switch, but fails to inform Mr. Congeniality, C. B. Bucknor. When Ramon Martinez comes up in the pitcher’s position and the Reds object, Kent Mercker is called out. Baker leaves the field, but not before throwing his lineup card (hey, it’s a bad carpenter who blames his tools), his hat, and a fit.
Like I said, slow news day.
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65 Responses to “No, You’re Out of Order”
January 14th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Did anyone see that viral video of “If a Business Meeting was Like an Internet Blog”?
If so, post the link. That shit was funny.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Also that ALMOST happened to Sweet Lou this past year. That was the game that was under protest and got denied. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it was against the Reds.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Did Darren Baker appear at all three of those post-game press conferences?
January 14th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I think so, Chad.
It was protested on the basis that Lou did not announce the double switch before he stepped inside the third base line. Turns out, that rule only applies on your second visit out of the mound.
On your first visit, you can go the mound first before you announce your intent to double switch to the umpire.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Those are pretty amusing, Trans.
Those first two Dusty incidents are littered with other future/former Cubs: in the first, Dallas Greene, Davey Lopes, Ron Cey; in the second, Shawon Dunston, Joe Carter (okay, that’s a weak one), and Bill Mueller.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgEi_u9-88
Funny indeed, Chad.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I found it
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
It’s got some R rated language but nothing too NSFW. It’s really funny.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
ok, yeah, that’s funny.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
this news, that Dusty might have problems with the nuances of keeping a National League lineup in order, is mind-boggling. He seemed to be so on top of things during his Cubs tenure.
[/heavy sarcasm]
January 14th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
What can I say, Rob? This is the sort of path-breaking analysis that has defined my tenure at TCR.
I do wish Retrosheet gave an explanation for why he came up for Cey in that first game.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
“I do wish Retrosheet gave an explanation for why he came up for Cey in that first game.”
Perhaps after diving and missing the fifteenth grounder of the game less than two feet to his left, Cey couldn’t get up and was taken off the field.
January 14th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Former Cub pitcher Don Cardwell died. Threw that no-hitter against the Cardinals in 1960, the one that ended with Moose Moryn making a catch off his shoetops for the final out and Jack Brickhouse screaming, “C’mon Moose!”
January 14th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
posted the youtube clip a few months back…
http://mvn.com/mlb-cubs/2007/1.....-notes-23/
January 14th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I still remember being at Wrigley for Dusty’s Hat Throwing day.
Between the botched switch, some really really sloppy play, and Sammy and Alou’s back to back game ending jacks, it certainly is one of the more bizarre days at Wrigley I can remember.
January 14th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Trans, here’s the answer to your question about the 5/5/80 game, from the wire service story the next day. (Three former Cubs involved.)
“…the wildest and craziest episode occurred in the first inning after Los Angeles had scored a run.
“Dusty Baker batted out of turn, hitting into a bases-loaded force play, one run scoring. The Phillies…appealed that Ron Cey should have hit in that spot, and Cey was ruled out, the runners returned to their bases,, and the run scrubbed.
“Baker, up legitimately this time, smashed the first pitch for a grand slam and a 5-0 lead. Baker homered again later.
“What happened was that Los Angeles Coach Monty Basgall posted one lineup on the dugout wall and inadvertently reversed Baker and Cey on the card he handed the umpires.
“Philadelphia Manager Dallas Green protested the game, insisting that Cey not only should have been called out, but that the runner who was forced at second should have been called out, which would have ended the inning.”
January 14th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Correction–the 5/4/80 game.
January 14th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
“Philadelphia Manager Dallas Green protested the game, insisting that Cey not only should have been called out, but that the runner who was forced at second should have been called out, which would have ended the inning.”
So Dallas Green wanted the out recorded from the Fielder’s choice, the run erased and the batter called out for batting out of order.
Sounds like a case of having the cake and eating too…off a Playboy model’s ass.
January 14th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I miss Dallas Green.
January 14th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
God, I love the internet - there’s always someone else willing to do the research for you. Seriously though, thanks!
January 14th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
That Dusty game was also the one where Kerry Wood got thrown out of? I do remember them double switching and thinking “how did the umpire screw that one up?” That was when I liked Dusty.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Wow, this is amazing, because the RetroBaker Press Conference Archive just so happens to include a transcript from the 4/16/2004 game:
“You guys in the media will write what you write, but when you have a bunch of versatile, veteran gamer types that can play a bunch of positions like Ramon [Martinez], then this type of thing’s gonna happen. I mean, Ramon just wanted to make a play, and who am I to say ‘No’ and stop him if he wants to make a play. Not to take anything away from Kent [Merker]. But there are worse outs in this game than that. Much worse, like a strikeout with the game on the line.”
January 15th, 2008 at 9:51 am
That last quote makes me excited for next season’s games against the Reds. I may even bookmark Cincy papers just so I can read Dustyisms.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:26 am
I found it
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
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…and just when I was thinking how grown up and mature I’ve become :-)
January 15th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Selig and Fehr’s testimony beginning, live on ESPN (and, I would assume, CSPAN)
January 15th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Tejada trade looking better all the time now for Houston.
This from opening today in Congress-
“That 2005 hearing was referenced right away when panel chairman Henry Waxman opened the proceedings by calling on the Justice Department to look into whether former AL MVP Miguel Tejada lied to committee staffers when questioned in connection to Palmeiro’s perjury case”
January 15th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
about 2 months late, Rozner chimes in with why aren’t we in on Johan?
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=113431
January 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Wow, if I had been playing a drinking game with those hearings… a shot for every time someone asked me to PLEASE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN…
January 15th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
in honor of Don Cardwell, Marmol combined with Damaso Marte and Ervin Santana on a no-no last night. Marmol K’d 3 in 1.1 IP for his second save.
Pie made an appearance and went 0 for 3 with an RBI and a SB.
January 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
link
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/.....n_licwin_1
January 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
if you’re in the TCR fantasy league with me, there’s a poll we need voting on for draft day.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/ne.....p;c_id=mlb
it’s been said before but Mitchell’s take on McNamee…
As far as McNamee was concerned, Mitchell said that McNamee had incentive to tell the truth because of an agreement with the federal government.
Under McNamee’s federal agreement, Mitchell wrote and repeated for the Committee on Tuesday, “No truthful statements can be used against McNamee in any federal prosecution by that Office; if, however, he should be untruthful in any statements made pursuant to that agreement, he may be charged with criminal violations, including making false statements, which is a felony.”
Thus, Mitchell added, McNamee had a lot to lose by lying to federal officials, who sat in on his three interviews with Mitchell and was advised “that he could face criminal charges if he made any false statements during these interviews, which were deemed by the prosecutors to be subject to his written agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp
A’s don’t see moving Blanton right now…
another report somewhere said Mets more interested in Bedard than Johan since he wouldn’t need an extension.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Was looking at the Carrie Muskat photo posted on her “letters” column & I was wondering — anyone have a slightly-butch schoolmarm fetish?
January 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Rozner wants the Cubs to trade ‘Felix Pie and Donald Veal. Hand over Rich Hill if you must. Toss in Jeff Samardzija and Matt Murton. Don’t fret over the loss of Kevin Hart.’ Then further goes on to say ‘Go get Brian Roberts’. Who does he imagine we’re going to trade for Roberts?
January 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
My guess is Aramis….afterall, Roberts is a hustler.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
http://forum.orioleshangout.co.....ostcount=1
I believe Dan Connolly is a Baltimore Sun writer….some excerpts from a radio interview…
January 15th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
http://forum.orioleshangout.co.....ostcount=6
and then some Internetting…
I have a buddy who works for the O’s, but not in any sort of front office role so he isn’t signfigant or considered an insider in any way, but he told me he was told the other day that McPhail simply “didn’t like” the trade of Gallagher, Marshall, and Cedeno.
January 15th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
“Rozner wants the Cubs to trade ‘Felix Pie and Donald Veal. Hand over Rich Hill if you must. Toss in Jeff Samardzija and Matt Murton. Don’t fret over the loss of Kevin Hart.’ ”
To get whom? Johann Santana?
January 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
the link is in comment #26, Chad….and yes, Johan.
January 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
a bit of silliness from my desktop cubs calendar 1-15-08:
World War II-era outfielder Lou (The Mad Russian) Novikoff is renowned for once attempting to steal third base with the bags full. “I got such a good jump on the pitcher, ” he explained.
January 15th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
here’s some Cubs trivia I came across yesterday…
Who was the last Cubs pitcher to win the NL ERA title?
January 15th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
PIE back playing in the D.R. would indicate the Cubs aren’t actively pursuing Roberts. I believe they were ready and willing to make him part of a package. And it’s pretty much MLB SOP for a team involved in off-season trade negotiations to pull their players out of competition if that’s the case.
re:McNamee
It would seem that he’s pretty safe claiming he injected Clemens with steroids…..whether he did or not. Clemens admits Mac gave him injections of something. Mac bought steroids. No way to prove where the steroids went. Only problem is, Clemens never tested positive for steroids AFAWK.
January 15th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Mark Prior in 2003 for lowest ERA?
January 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Bruce Sutter
January 15th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
sorry thats me in # 44
January 15th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Only problem is, Clemens never tested positive for steroids AFAWK.
Yes, that’s the ONLY problem…Bonds hasn’t either. Neither did Brian Roberts or Eric Gagne or Kevin Brown or just about every player named in the report.
Jason Schmidt had a 2.34 ERA in 2003, Prior 2.43.
January 15th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I doubt Bruce Sutter would have enough innings to qualify…
January 15th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
If anyone gets that ERA question, they looked it up (like I did).
January 15th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
speaking of the answer….the book I read it in has a different answer than Baseball Reference, although it happened in the same year. The player in the book did have a lower ERA but according to BR.com would not have qualified. Just happened that another Cub that year did when I checked today.
January 15th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
and yeah, I don’t expect anyone to get this, which is why I didn’t make it a post.
January 15th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Meaningless, err sorry, BIG Cubs news of the day…Cubs invite 19 to Spring Training:
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/ne.....p;c_id=chc
January 15th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Greg Maddux in 89 I think it was?
January 15th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
not even close Rich…
and thanks for the tip manny, I put a post up on it.
January 15th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Scott Garrelts won in 1989 with a 2.28 ERA, Maddux had a 2.95
January 15th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
in Maddux’s Cy Young Year of 1992, he had a 2.18 ERA…beat out, by another Giant, Bill Swift (2.08).
He then won the next 3 ERA crowns with the Braves…4 overall.
January 15th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Was it Bill Hands, late 60s or early 70s?
January 15th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I’ll guess Rick Reuschel. He had a couple really strong years in the 70’s for the Cubs, one time his ERA in the 2’s.
January 15th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
farther back….
January 15th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I looked it up so I won’t answer anymore, but it’s interesting because The Baseball Encyclopedia says a different one then Baseball Reference does…both Cubs though.
January 15th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I’ll give the answer in 12 minutes…
January 15th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Kenny Holtzman
January 15th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
initials are RP and HB, depending on the source….
January 15th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Reggie Patterson
January 15th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
last minutes guesses….3…2….1
January 15th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
according to BR.com, Ray Prim was the 1945 NL ERA champ with a 2.40 ERA.
The 38 year old thrived like so many during the war. He only lasted 6 years in baseball and 1945 was the only season where the majority of his games were as a starter.
The book I was reading yesterday listed Hank Borowy though as the ERA champ. He came over in a very controversial waiver purchase mid-season from the Yanks. He threw 122.1 IP as a Cub with a 2.13 ERA, so the discrepancy between BR and other sources is likely a qualification issue. Borowy also enjoyed war-time baseball as he was somewhat of a star while the good players were in the war. Once they returned in 1946, his sterling ERA dipped to well below average, although he did last until 1951.
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