Poll: All Aboard the Cueto Bandwagon? Not So Fast…
I logged in tonight to write a little about Tim Dierkes’ reaction to Johnny Cueto’s impressive major-league debut only to find that Derek had beaten me to the punch. My argument takes a different turn, though, so I’ll make it anyway.
If you haven’t already read Tim’s post (and the corresponding comments) regarding Cueto, I urge you to do so.
As a summary; first, this happened:
and then Tim wrote:
Cueto’s available in Yahoo leagues today, and many are wondering whether to use a high waiver claim on him. The answer is yes. Don’t hold out for a question mark like Clayton Kershaw or Jay Bruce. Cueto has the talent and opportunity, right now.
So far, I’m right there with you.
But finally, Tim said that he’d drop Rich Harden in favor of Cueto. Derek went so far as to say he’d drop anyone worse than Ted Lilly; in Seamless’ draft kit, that group includes pitchers like Tim Hudson, Derek Lowe, Oliver Perez and Joba Chamberlain.
It’s at this point that I respectfully (and vehemently) disagree. Why?
- Arms like Harden, Hudson, Lowe, Perez and Chamberlain all have significant fantasy value. In a standard 12-team league, they were drafted between the 13th and 17th rounds. And then, this week they went out and pitched very well. If nothing else, you should attempt to clear a roster spot by packaging Harden with Miguel Tejada in a deal for Carlos Guillen—or Perez with Nick Swisher for Corey Hart. Don’t put good talent back on the wire unnecessarily.
- What has Cueto proven to this point? He has seven innings of major-league experience in which he shut down a lineup featuring Chris Young, Chris Burke, Orlando Hudson, Eric Byrnes, Stephen Drew, Mark Reynolds, Justin Upton and Robby Hammock. That isn’t exactly Arizona’s “A” team; it certainly wasn’t the Milwaukee Brewers or Chicago Cubs. Even the talented Diamondbacks are still underdeveloped.
- Cueto has only 83 innings of minor-league experience at Double-A or above. I’m not saying pitchers can’t make a fast transition into professional baseball; I’m only pointing out that the potential exists for rookie mistakes.
- His manager is one Dusty Baker. Remember the Joba rules? Ain’t happenin’ here.
Now, I’m not trying to come off as anti-Cueto: I just don’t want you to drop a legitimate fantasy contributor to make a risky addition.
Look at it this way, using projections from Rotoworld:
Harden: 119 IP, 8 W, 112 K, 3.25 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, $9 5×5 value
Hudson: 216 IP, 16 W, 131 K, 3.50 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, $16 5×5 value
Cueto: 159 IP, 10 W, 133 K, 3.97 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, $5 5×5 value
I’m viewing Harden for Cueto as at best a sideways move, at worst a step backwards. As Edwin wrote in his Opening Day stock watch column, it’s time to sell high on Rich Harden—not to cut bait entirely. Find a way to squeeze Cueto onto your roster, but be sure to make a sound economic decision.
As an aside, a related poll question:
How do you think Johnny Cueto will perform in comparison to his Rotoworld projections?
As always, vote in the poll embedded in the right sidebar. Feel free to leave comments with your reasoning on this post.






8 Responses to “Poll: All Aboard the Cueto Bandwagon? Not So Fast…”
April 4th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Not sure what I’d project. Obviously today’s performance is more than likely the best of the year, and you could even say career (I have his game score at 80, and plenty of pitchers never get that high, ever). If he has developed a new ability to strike batters out at an alarming rate (an occurrence that does happen ala Erik Bedard ‘07) then that completely changes the story. As to how I would go about figuring out if he has, all I have are past numbers. Talking to the guy himself would be nice, but, uh, yeah, I don’t see that happening.
April 4th, 2008 at 5:12 am
22 year old pitchers come with a lot of inherit injury risk. He’s also a flyball pitcher in a park that will humble him quickly when he doesn’t have his best stuff. He’s definitely worth adding in just about every format while he’s on, however. His upside is immense.
April 4th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Would you drop Zach Greinke for Cueto? Greinke had a good second half, but burned me last year in the first.
April 4th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Here are my pitchers, standard Yahoo! 5×5:
SP
Zack Greinke
Adam Wainwright
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Jeff Francis
Cole Hamels
Matt Cain
DL
Pedro Martínez
RP
Francisco Rodríguez
Tony Peña
Pat Neshek
Heath Bell
Joba Chamberlain
April 4th, 2008 at 10:22 am
I’m also considering dropping Wainwright for Cueto.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
I’d consider dropping Greinke, but he just shut down the Tigers. I think you’d have to put him in the same camp as Cueto: a young pitcher with upside who had a fantastic 2008 debut. I’d like to own them both, but neither for a full season’s worth of starts. They’ll have their ups and downs. Shane, I’d drop Pena or Neshek in favor of Cueto.
Wainwright is more valuable than Cueto to me at this point, though the Cardinals’ offense might not give him much support.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Yeah, I’d hold on to Wainwright. If that’s your worst player, your team is already in great shape.
My “drop anyone Ted Lilly or worse” line was fleeting and probably a little irresponsible, but even if projections match up, somebody like Hudson has little ceiling anymore, so you wouldn’t be risking all that much to grab a guy who is talented enough to be Liriano 2.0. It may not be the totally rational move, I realize.
April 4th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Yeah, I think I’ll set my man crush aside and drop Neshek and see how it goes.
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