72 Hours To Make Johan a Met
BREAKING NEWS:
According to USA Today, the Minnesota Twins have agreed to send the two time Cy Young award winner- Johan Santana- to the New York Mets.
The players involved are the same names we saw mentioned in the Star Tribune. Kevin Mulvey, Deolis Guerra, Philip Humber, and Carlos Gomez. The fact that the Mets were able to keep Fernando Martinez off the table is a big plus.
The only thing holding back the official word is the 72 hour window for a contract extension. I highly doubt that this will be a snag, and I fully expect Johan to pitch on opening day for the Mets in the final year of Shea Stadium.
When more news comes about, I’ll be sure to post it.
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49 Responses to “72 Hours To Make Johan a Met”
January 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Initial reaction: While this is a steep price to pay, being able to get the best pitcher in baseball without giving up the team’s top prospect is something that Omar should be commended for. The pressure is really on Fernando Martinez and Mike Pelfrey now, because there’s really not much else in the farm system to get excited about, and a strong draft this June is absolutely necessary in order to re-stock (good thing the Mets have 3 of the first 33 picks).
Wright, Reyes, Beltran, and Santana is a pretty awesome core. I’m still shocked the Mets were able to pull this off.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
I have to agree with you. Although I am in the bunch of Mets fans who would have liked to see what all those kids had to offer. This was a big overreaction to the collapse and the large number of Mets fans who felt the Mets HAD to do something. We all have to remember that the Mets were a game away from making the playoffs. One single solitary game.
They got an ace back for the year in Pedro. He showed that he was ready to take the mound again at the end of last year. That was a huge addition without subtraction.
In Carlos Gomez, Kevin Mulvey, Philip Humber. and Deolis Guerra, the Twins are about to get a lot of talent that only needs a little bit of time to develop. Talent that, when ready, will be huge players in their future.
In Johan, the Mets are about to get the best pitcher in the game. Even though, they could potentially get him as a free agent after this season.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Santana/Pedro is a ridiculous 1-2 punch (and I’m with you - I have a ton of faith in Pedro and what a full year of him healthy can do for this team).
January 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I’d like to know where Wagner rates the Mets now, lol.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Wow. I guess this means that the Mets don’t want Blanton anymore. Damn.
At least Santana is out of the AL. Suddenly, with the emergence of all the young players in the West, the NL is beginning to get respectable again.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Kevin—This was a deal the Mets had to make if they could, if only because—as nice as it is to have Pedro Martinez back—he’s not quite the number one he once was. Too many injuries, a little age, and you have to wonder how durable he can be until you wake up and realise he just put up 175 innings without muss or fuss. But he can still pitch up and Santana coming takes a big load off Martinez: he can just go out and throw what he’s got (and his breaking stuff is still as nasty as it gets), and like Jessica says, it’s a one-two punch that’s ridiculous.—Jeff
January 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Woooo bout time…now mike can shut the hell up lol jk
January 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I lovr this trade. I thought for sure someone would swoop in out of nowhere to swipe Santana from the Mets.
Not wooried about the contract negorioations. mets have a good relationship with agent, he’s not Scott Boras, I am sure the Mets understood the approximate parameters, and Wilpon is comfortable in that range.
I am suprised that Minn. did not insist on players that could make a more immediate impact. Gomez although he has tons of talent, is really raw and lacking in fundamentals. Can he be a great player down the road yes definitely, butr he will struggle this year and minn. fans will not go easy. I though Heilman or someone like that would be included.
Its a lot of good prospects, but you don’t get the best pitcher in baseball for nothing, besides mets kept best hitting and pitching prospect in house.
This is too good to believe for mets fans. If the Mets sign hiom, all of thiose critics who complain about Omar being afraid to make a bifg deal have nothing to stand on.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
This is a tremendous acquisition by the Mets.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Wow, Mets fans got lucky on this one. The Twins made a horrible trade. We don’t even get your best prospect or even an established player. This is a win for the Mets.
I am ashamed to be a Twins fan today. We’ve made a few good moves this offseason (Delmon Young, signing Cuddy and Morneau to long deals), but the fact that we lost Hunter and Santana in the same offseason just sucks, especially with a new ballpark coming in 2010.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Congrats guys you really got a steal here, I can’t believe you gave up so little. Also thanks for keeping him away from the sox and preventing Hank from throwing our farm away.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
The Mets got a absolute steal…signing pending of course. I can’t believe the Twins over played their hands like this and had to take the lesser offer from the Mets. Congrats.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Cue every baseball analyst predicting the Mets to make the World Series…
January 29th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Hello everyone, regulars, and new first-time visitors. Thank you to all the outsiders for the congrats on the pending deal. It’s definitely an upgrade, albeit one that I really don’t think they NEEDED to make. Again, 1 game away from the post season without him, and it took the biggest regular season collapse in baseball history to prevent that. Given any additional opportunity, the Mets wouldn’t fall short like that again.
I have to say that the Twins did come up with a good package here. And in reality, one can’t just look at it as the best player in the game for these no-namers. The situation is what determined the namers in the trade. The no-trade clause, refusal to re-sign, and the fact that he will be a free agent after one year all played in FAVOR of the Mets, and no one else.
It’s like I stated from the get-go; there is no real leverage for the Twins to work with. If they don’t go for the talented prospects from the Mets, who are they going to get? Phil Hughes was taken off of the table a long time ago. And the Yanks and Red Sox were only in it to block the other. The Twins knew this. Johan knew this. And the Mets knew this.
The agent is the same as that of Jose Reyes. So When it came down to it, Johan would have been advised by his agent to turn down any other offer, as it would be in the best interest of Johan AND his other client Jose.
In the end, the Mets got the best player in baseball. The Twins, although they are always in it, wouldn’t have gone deep into the playoffs, if they even managed to make it. And so they took the deal that made the most sense. ..the ONLY sense, and that was to grab a ton of talent for the future.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
MikeinMiami is very happy!!! We frickin Stole Santana… You have to understand that 2 of those 4 players will be MLB busts, thats how the minors work! Hell ya, Kev… We can argue all day about whether they “needed” him or not… But at the end of the day, Omar has stolen Luis Castillo and Johan Santana from the Twins…
Johan, Pedro, Maine, Perez, Livan/Elduque
Now the Mets still need to sign Livan Hernandez for those 200 garbage innings everyone seems talking about and throw elduque in the pen… Also he could be good insurance incase any of other 4-5 pitchers go down with any injuries and all pitchers get injured! I would even suggest a 2 year incentive laden contract to Freddy Garcia… Have him take his time to get healthy..
I know, I know.. But if hes healthy, hes good… Give him all year to take his time, why not…
World Series here we come!!! Im frickin excited!
Kev, Jess I cant wait!
January 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Thanks for the read, Kevin. Although I would have to disagree with a few things you said. With the trade for Delmon Young, and the recent signings of Justin Morneau and Michael Cuddyer, the Twins are obviously not ‘giving up’ on any type of playoff run. With that said, trading for the future was a huge mistake. They should have taken one of the offers between Boston and NYY. They totally fumbled on this one.
The Twins are going to be playing in their new stadium in 2008, and they already lost Hunter this offseason. That’s a ton of money right there. Add the Morneau/Cuddyer signings, Delmon Young, their great pitching prospects and a return of Francisco Liriano, they definitley have enough talent to compete. So trading Johan for players that will not immediately help us is frustrating, especially when you look at the offers from NYY and Boston.
Oh well, this was expected. Minnesota sports has a history of failed trades. Randy Moss, Daunte Culpepper and Kevin Garnett were all traded for nothing. We’re used to the disappointment.
Good luck with Johan, I know he’ll have a great year.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
2008=2010
January 29th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
People in Minnesota also live in -20 to -50 wind chills and 4 feet of snow half the year… Either they love the pain hitting you in the ass, or the cold freezes their brains to make these silly trades..
I agree with you that you guys do trade people for nothing… But then again, not being racial. I just dont think its fair for non-swedes(blacks, dominicans and such to live in such extreme and crappy conditions and at the end of the day, who the hell wants to live in Minnesota?!
I think deep down Johan wanted to be in NY with the Mets. He knows he will have an easier time in the NL and will get the most money. He could have easily vetoed any trade to Boston(another miserable city) as well.. Honestly, I think it was down to the Yankees or Mets and he preffered the Mets, and must have told the Twins to “trade me to the Mets”
January 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Extreme and crappy conditions? You obviously haven’t been here in the Spring, Summer or Fall (you know, when they play baseball). You also aren’t aware that the Twins play inside. Do you think Santana lives here in the off-season? lol, wow. All coming from a guy who lives in Miami. I’ll take shoveling my driveway 5 times a year over losing my house in a hurricane.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Regardless, for a latin player. Im sure hes much more marketable and will appreciate and make a heck of a lot more $$$ than he ever did as a met then he did as a twin..
I just think deep down inside Hes Latin and prefers NYC where his people are(endorsement power) than live in a city he cant relate too.
Yes, Ive been there and its probably one of the most boring most conservative bigger nazi gustapo swede cities in the country…
And as for living in Miami, Im sure Johan will prefer to have spring traing in port st. lucie(again closer to his people in Miami)
Comparing South beach to Minnesota, lets not go there/….
January 29th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Brian,
I apologize on behalf of MikeInMiami. He has a habit of typing things that should be worded differently.
What he was trying to say…I think…was that Johan, and a ton of my fellow Hispanics, would prefer warmer weather like in their native countries. But it obviously didn’t stop Johan from winning 2 Cy Youngs. He even stated that he wanted to remain in Minnesota before last season started. Fortunately for the Mets, things soured and now he’ll be at Shea/Citi Field for years to come.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Kevin, I didnt even think about the weather as much, as the shear $$$$ he will make in endorsements, as well as being closer to his native enviornment, people, and direct flights back home. Playing with Luis castillo again and the rest of the latin players probably had a lot to do with it. The same agent…
But no Kev, In Minnesota, If you aint white, you aint right.. Bunch of frickin nazis. Im not even latin, Im italian and they treated me like they treat blacks in Alabama…
January 29th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Mike,
I can understand that many of us have all gone through some sort of discrimination, but I refuse to label an entire city based off of the actions of a stupid misguided few. I just won’t do that.
Now let’s keep this focused on the trade of Johan to the Mets. Let’s leave everything else behind and just talk about the post.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Kevin, you don’t have to apologize for Mike’s lack of ability to type anything respectful.
I think the weather was a non-issue, but I can see your point. But we’re talking about New York City here, aren’t we? Not exactly the most tropical location.
Mike, for the record, Minnesota is a state, not a city.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Maybe they treated you like that because you’re obviously an uneducated, misguided @$$?
Okay, I’ll stop responding to such nonsense.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Yeah Brian,
NY can get ridiculously cold. And although Minnesota gets colder at some points in the year, I don’t know how much of a different feeling 5 below zero is compared to 15 below. It’s still too cold for my tastes.
The benefit that Johan had in Minnesota was the more respectful fan base. God forbid he loses his first game…oh goodness…Then the “home team fans” will try to poison his gatorade. I don’t know if you saw the way they have treated Beltran, and continue to treat him now, but it has been utterly repulsive and embarrassing as a New Yorker myself.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Yea Kev, Im sorry… Brian, Im sorry 2. Just tell those Edina, MN PD that not every 25 year old with a super nice car driving down france road at 130am with Florida Tags is a drug dealer, lol!!!
I guess they didnt like my answer to what do you for a living, and I said I make money, haha!!!
As for the trade Kev, I couldnt be happier. This is exactly what I have written about for 2 years. The mets desperately needed an ace if they truely wanted to get deep in the playoffs. I dont think it was a “steep” price. I actually think they underpaid.
Now all the Mets have to do is stay injury free and actually perform and Willie has to actually manage this club properly.
Does Everyone agree with me that if the Mets dont get to the World Series, that he should be fired?!
January 29th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
I will admit I am not a huge fan of Edina. You do realize that if there ever was a white-town in Minnesota it’s Edina, lol.
As much as I hate to see Santana go I am glad he did not stay in the AL. Also his chance of winning the Cy Young have dramatically increased now that he’s in the NL. I can see him going 20-10.
From a Twins standpoint, maybe they can use the money they didn’t spend on Santana to go out and get some more help, although there’s not much out there.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Kevin, I agree with you that MN has the more respectable fan base, but I have been to many games and MN does get crazy for the playoffs, I think certain elite pitchers love the vibe, energy, and atmosphere of pitching at the biggest stage in their career in NYC… We all have to agree that NY fans(both yankees and mets) are insane!!
Where I was trying to go, was I think Johan may have been a little bored. Maybe he wanted a new landscape pitching on an elite level in a city such as NY..
Brian, no disrespect to your fanbase, but Mets Fans have a double edge sword. They either Love your or Hate you and they absolutely go nuts game in and game out.. Michael Jordan always said he loved to play in Madison Square Garden because they had the craziest fans(even more crazy than Boston, Phx, Portland, Lakers) and loved playing at that stage…
With Johan, maybe he just got bored in MN, and craved that NY spotlight and the $$$$ of course!
I really truly think that Johan wants to play on that stage amongst the chaos
January 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Mike, you are probably right. Most every phenom would love to play in the big markets. That is what has happened over the years. I’m sure Johan will be a good fit for NY, he definitely deserves the money. Maybe once Pohlad dies the Twins will finally start paying their players money.
Although I will have to admit, it feels good to make the playoffs with a fairly low payroll. But then again, when an athlete turns into a superstar here, it’s frustrating not being able to keep them.
March 31st can’t come soon enough.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Willie managing the club properly will probably never happen. A great guy, excellent coach, but when it comes to managing he has a lot of rough edges.
I loved- and I mean LOVED- the way he managed in the playoffs in 06. That is how he should manage every single game from start to finish. But he failed to return in 2007 with that same style of managing, that same view, and the same passion. I think he also took it for granted that the Mets might not make it back there unless he did a better job.
For all the criticism Bobby Valentine takes, he was always able to manage the game and understood the importance of finding ways to manage the game for a win. His issue was a lot of veteran players didn’t like his up in your face attitude. The younger players, however, loved him.
Mixing the two styles of Randolph and Valentine would be great. Hopefully Willie looks back at 06 and realizes how he managed to pull that team together and really take NY by storm.
If the Mets don’t get to the World Series, I can see him getting fired, but it’s got to depend on how he manages the games throughout the season. Do they get to the playoffs? Who’s available as a manager if the thought is being passed around? You see where I’m going with this.
Willie is a staple with the Mets but, The Wilpons can only take so much. Omar would stay since he brought in a lot of good talent via trades, some expected by many, some by few, some not at all. He also used the money game to bring in top talent, thus making the Mets a great new haven for stars to play.
He has provided Willie with every possible tool to win in all. Every year, he adds something else to cover up Willie’s shortcomings as a manager. Much the way Torre had been protected year in and year out. Sure the players love them because they don’t take a hands on approach. Well, maybe that’s been the problem from the beginning.
But with all that said, I don’t think there is any way the Mets come up short this time around.
January 29th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Reports are saying that if the Mets get Johan, they probably dont need Livan… What do you guys think?
I Say johan, pedro, maine, perez, livan
pelfrey, elduque, sanchez, heilman, joe smith, wagner in relief
I think they should find room for pelfrey and elduque in the pen and still add Livan as insurance
What do you think about getting greedy and signing guys like Livan or Freddy Garcia.. Kev? Jess?
January 29th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
The way I see it, there’s no need for Livan now (then again, I didn’t see much of a need for him even before the Santana trade happened). Pelfrey can start the season in AAA and be called up when El Duque has his annual trip to the DL. The kind of pitchers the Mets should be signing are the guys who don’t have to be guaranteed a spot in the starting rotation, like an Odalis Perez, or guys who can be had on incentive-laden one-year deals, like Garcia.
As interesting as the idea of moving El Duque to the bullpen is, I have no faith in Willie to handle him properly in that role.
January 29th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I also like the idea of gettin Freddy Garcia and having take his time and coming back after the allstart break. Sign him to a 2 year incentive Laden contract… And give him time to heal.
We saw what happened when they tried to rush Duaner Sanchez back to the mound, yes, it ruined their bullpen…
I am not confident in elduque whatsoever come playoff time, if he will even be around… Usually injuried?!
I think the Mets should Joba Chamberlain Mike Pelfrey and put him in the pen and ease him into the rotation… He needs big league experience at this point. AAA wont help him much… Time to trade Scott Schoenweis for another upgrade in the bullpen?! Any ideas to add more pitching
I still like Livan Hernandez, and Freddy Garcia… What do you guys think?
January 29th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Honestly, I think putting Pelfrey in the bullpen would be a bad idea unless the plan is to convert him into a reliever. He needs regular work in order to improve his command and refine his off-speed pitches, and he won’t get that in the bullpen, where he would be called on 2 or 3 times a week in situations where he can’t afford to throw anything other than his best pitch.
The only problem with trading Schoeneweis is that in order to do that, there would have to be another team out there that wants him.
January 29th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I can’t agree with taking Pelfrey out of the rotation. The pen isn’t the ideal place to ease into the rotation. If he isn’t starting in the 5th spot, then he should be starting as the ace in AAA. Can he help the big league club out of the pen? Yes, but the last thing they need to do is make Heilman part 2. He has the stuff to pitch higher up in the rotation. He just needs the major league starting innings to prove it.
With that said…again, I don’t want him out of the rotation. El Duque should be the long reliever. It’s the only way he’ll remain healthy enough to make it to the post season.
The Mets do NOT need to, nor should they, sign the likes of Livan Hernandez or Freddy Garcia.Is it the end of the world if they do? No, but come on Mets fans….when is enough enough for you? How will you ever know if the young talent is ready if you keep pushing for old washed up guys to block their path to the bigs?
January 29th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Wow Kev, i actually agree with you…lol but seriously Duque should stay in the pen for the long run…hes more effective that way…and you’re also right about getting some washed up pitcher..thru all the limas and chan ho parks…i think they should just stick with the farm (pelfrey) and try and develop him into a quality pitcher…if we dont make at least the nlcs this yr..idk what there is left to say. Lets just keep things ona good note and be happy with getting Santana.
January 29th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Well said Kevin. We really should let Pelfrey be the #5 pitcher this year. I’m tired of old players stinking it up in Shea. While we’re at it let’s get rid of Alou!
January 29th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Actually, the pitching roster is pretty full now.
Santana
Martinez
Maine
Perez
El Duque
Wagner
Heilman
Feliciano
Sanchez
Wise
Scoeneweis
Sosa
Sosa and Shoenwies could be improved and Sanchez may not be ready. However Schoeneweis is signed through ‘09 and I believe Sosa is out of options now that he is arb eligible.
The one thing they need to improve on is a right-handed OFer. Church hit just .229 vs. lefties and Easley was a little shakey as an Of, probably worse after a serious leg injury last year.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Thanks Ken, Lord Mark and Eric for the recent additions to the comments.
I’ve got to say that Pelfrey has so much upside and as is, he is a far better option than he’s being given credit for. **Raising my fist high**…Let Pelfrey Start!
Eric, while that is probably the rotation they will use, I really would like to see Pelfrey get another crack at the rotation. A real shot, not some Heilman mess. He had one year. And he showed dramatic improvement in the last month he pitched.
Now he played a lot better than he was credited as well. Look at how few home runs he gave up. He is a ground ball pitcher and the defense really came up short a lot of the time. He is definitely responsible for a lot of those runs, but in reality, some plays need to be made. The Mets didn’t give him much run support, and they were going through defensive issues at second before Castillo came along. You know the deal. The team was amazing one day and lethargic the next.
If Pelfrey stays in the rotation, the odd man out is Wise, because El Duque would be pushed into the pen. Sosa’s value is much higher than that of Wise. He can start, relieve and hit. He’s the pitcher’s version of a “Super Joe” (who is actually the new hitting coach for the White Sox AAA team, the Charlotte Knights).
So that versatility has to be kept in the pen. His arbitration situation will most likely be settled very soon, as will many others now that Santana is here.
January 30th, 2008 at 5:50 am
I think Pelfrey would be better off in the minors another year. The Mets have really blown it with him so far with him yo-yoing up and down every start an audition. With the luxary of Santana let him start in the minors work on his auxilary pitches, his mental approach without as much pressure. Like Ron Darling says, the minors are a useful learning tool not a punishment.
Give him until June in New Orleans, see how he develops.
January 30th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
I have to disagree with you Eric. With the 4 guys the mets have starting infront of Pelfrey the mets can afford to allow him to start as the #5 pitcher. Our rotation is finally solid with the addition of Johan and the return of Pedro. Let the kid make some mistakes and learn on the job. He has already proven himself time and time again at the AAA level.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:40 am
If the “best team on paper” always won we could just hold the the world series in May and forget playing the whole 162 games season. Yes the Mets look good on paper, let’s see how it all plays out.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:15 am
Lord mark-
Are we that confident now that we can afford to have a kid “make miistakes and learn on the job” every fifth game?
January 31st, 2008 at 10:32 am
I would say yes Eric. We can be that confident because despite the fact that he did start a ton of games last year, albeit unsuccessfully, he was far more effective than his numbers portray.
The last thing the Mets need is for El Duque to get hurt for a third year in a row, and miss the playoffs. Pelfrey did a very good job as the fifth starter, regardless of his record. He would ensure the health of Hernandez come playoff time. He has far more use to the major league roster now, than New Orleans.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I say limit his innings and bring him in mid relief and gradually bring him into the leagues.. But keep him on the roster in the big leagues… But I just dont think he has the “makeup” to be a major league stud yet!
I would even suggest a 6man rotation as the Mets have several players who have sensitive arm problems(pedro, duque, sanchez, heilman)
rumor is johan santana too?!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Mike,
Don’t start rumors about Johan!
Eric,
Yes I am that confident with allowing Pelfrey to make mistakes and learn on the job. His mistakes are not the long ball which is huge. He is going to be better than last year without a doubt. He wasn’t a first round draft pick for no reason. The kid has talent. You have to show confidence in these kids so that they feel confident about themselves. That is the job of the manager and Willie needs to learn that. I mean seriously we brought Wright and Reyes up when they were young and they are now arguably are best 2 players (not that I’m saying Pelfrey will have that kind of impact, at least not yet), but you have to give him another chance.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:33 am
Lord Mark,
Agreed, but GM’s and Managers need to realize that injuries can absolutely decimate a team and they need to really monitor over usage.
Pelfrey would be great here and there against the Pirates, Nats, and others weaker teams in the NL and to give Johan, Pedro, Elduque, Maine and Perez a day off.
You would agree with me that Our pitching staff(J. Maine, Oliver Perez, Elduque, even Glavine all ran out of gas in August?!)
I think a 6man rotation is the future of baseball. Especially with the money spent on them, you have to protect your investment!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
I won’t argue with the 6 man rotation as long as Johan is not affected by it. Pedro and Hernandez can definately use it since they are both injury possibilities again. Maine just needs to keep building his stamina and he to is coming off of an injury. Pelfrey won’t have the stamina quite yet either so I’m fine with the 6 man rotation and then when some one gets hurt we can cut it back to a 5 man until they return.
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