Just some more attendance numbers
Yesterday Chris over at CP - noted the attendance of the Nats 2nd home game didn’t quite live up to the standards set by other teams. Furor erupted. Nats Enquirer noted that the Nats second game last year had roughly the same number of people paying to watch from the “cheap seats” (Fine to use that phrase for RFK. For the new park…well not so much).
If you have been reading OMG for any length of time you know the attendance numbers fascinate me. Earlier - by looking at the new park attendance for teams from cities of roughly the same population size of DC - I put the Nats season attendance goal at 2.4 to 2.8 million. Figure since I had those numbers handy, I’d go ahead and look at what they did at roughly the same time as the Nats.
To be as lenient on the Nats as possible, I looked at the first weekday (Mon-Thurs) game AFTER the first homestand. Here’s what I found for those roughly same-sized cities.
- Rangers: 22,995 - Tues v Detriot
- Philadelphia: 33,294 - Tues v St.Louis
- Houston: 37,939 - Tues v Cubs
- Atlanta: 31,427 - Mon v Reds
- Detroit: 20,340 - Mon v Royals (may 8th)
- San Fran: 40,930 - Mon v Mets (sellout - sold out for year)
- Seattle: 45,118 - Mon v D-Rays (aug 2nd - opened Safeco after All-Star break)
What do you see? Other than the Rangers and Tigers - significantly higher attendances. (note: I did look around at other opponents at roughly the same time frame just to be sure the Cubs or Mets weren’t bringing in numbers out of line with their regular attendances - they weren’t). That’s not unexpected because the Rangers and Tigers had the lowest increases in comparison with the previous years in total attendance and the lowest overall totals. 2.5 mill (+250K from last year) for the Rangers - though it was the strike year. 2.4 mill (+400K) for the Tigers
I heard some people complain on the comments of CP about how these are cities with baseball tradition, something DC doesn’t have. Ok then, what about the recently added teams. How did they do in attendance at a similar time? To give you the most info possible I present both their opening season numbers (to resemble the “new park”) and their 4th season (to resemble the Nats…uhh 4th season)
- 1st Tampa Bay : 31,969 - Mon v Min
- 4th Tampa Bay : 19,433 - Tues v Bos
- 1st Arizona : 45, 256 - Mon v Fla
- 1st Arizona : 23,328 - Mon v Fla
- 1st Colorado : 48,768 - Mon v Cubs
- 4th Colorado : 48,047 - Wed v Phil
- 1st Florida : 43,458 - Tues v Atl
- 4th Florida : 17,453 - Mon v SD
Seems to me that first season makes a bad comparison. 4th isn’t great, these teams have no “new park” incentive, but it’s better.
There are the numbers, draw whatever conclusions you like.
What do I think? Well the numbers, no matter how you look at it, show that the Nats are on the bottom of the attendance figures. This would seem to indicate that overall attendance is going to be lacking this year. Now that’s not guaranteed, two of the teams the Nats resembled, the Rangers and the D-Backs bounced back to have perfectly fine attendances for the year. Of course, both those teams were in first place. You can’t really compare the Nats to TB or Fla, though, (we hope) Florida fans showing no history of good attendance.
Personally I think Detroit might be a good bet as a comparison. True, they had baseball tradition but it had been undermined by years of sucking. The team that first Comerica year wasn’t very good. They ended up with a decent, middle of the pack attendance but the increase from the year before was minimal. That’s probably what the Nats will see, something scraping 2.4 million. That would be disappointing but understandable.
The question is whether when the Nats get good will the people show up. In Detroit they have, proving a winner matters more than fancy new digs and you get the feeling that they’ll keep showing up, as long as the team keeps doing ok. That’s what the Nats want to start, and that’s something we can’t know for years. It’ll give us something to talk about in the meantime though.






2 Responses to “Just some more attendance numbers”
April 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I also wonder if in part what’s happening is that there are now so many HOK nice new parks that they just aren’t the draw they once were. I bet most baseball fans here in DC, esp given transient populations have already been to such parks, esp. with Balt and Philly so close. So pure stadium novelty isn’t such a draw and, combined with the weather, I think there’s a lot of folk thinking they’ll check out the park this year, but it doesn’t need to be at minute 1.
Also, the parking/metro anticipatory horror stories well might have caused a meaningful number of folks to decide it wasn’t worth the bother.
April 9th, 2008 at 11:39 am
sam - Interesting point on the first one but impossible to tell. Some will use the draw the Mets and Yanks parks will hav enext year to dismiss the possibility but that’s a whole different situation. Unfortunately there isn’t really a good comparison.
the Metro “panic press” idea is interesting but honestly I can’t see it having that much of an effect. If you expect the Nats to have drawn among the better attendance numbers that’s at least 30K. Are we saying that 10 thousand people, a third of the people wanting to go to a ballgame, were deterred by traffic difficulties? That seems really high. A couple thousand maybe…maybe. But this early in the game - where no one really knows what to expect - I just can’t buy the traffic being that big an issue.
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