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Gagne Deal Near Complete
I’ve heard two versions:
- Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a C-level prospect
- Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a C-level prospect
Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
He’s going to be unrecognizable without that billygoat beard.
Update 1: In case the “Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip” two paragraphs higher is too easily missed, here are the sources of this rumor.
Also, the Proctor for Wilson Betemit deal is still on the table according to Tim Dierkes.
Update 2: Bullpen Comparison:
| Current Bullpen: | Proposed Bullpen: |
Closer:
Set-up:
Middle Relief:
Long Man:
Specialist:
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Closer:
Set-up:
Middle Relief:
Long Man:
Specialist:
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68 Responses to “Gagne Deal Near Complete”
July 30th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Thanks, Dan Benton. :-P
July 30th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Little icing on the bullpen cake:
Joba Chamberlain struck out the side during his first relief appearance for AAA-Scranton. He knew he’d only get one inning tonight, and made the most of it.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Any chance of an extension? I hate giving up pitchers for a 2-3 month rental.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
I cant seem to find any confirmation of this on the web…I just want to make certain of the sources and legitimacy of this rumor.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Dan we need more evidence of this being a done deal, you know I already heard a false rumor that sent NYYFANS into panic mode of Gagne to Boston.. as soon as you get an update please post it.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
I’d rather give up Marquez than Karstens. Karstens, I feel, could really help as a long man down the stretch. I’d like to see Joba in the 2008 rotation, but replacing Bruney, Proctor and Farnsworth(less) with Karstens, Joba and Gagne is one hell of an upgrade. Maybe a Myers or Villone goes instead of a Bruney or Proctor, who knows. I’m just subbing righties for righties here. It depends on how many lefty relievers they feel they need in the bullpen.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Personally, I hope they don’t resign him. I think his shoulder is a disaster waiting to happen and I’d like draft picks.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Jim if they don’t resign Gagne it’s like giving prospects for free, these are 3 of our lower prospects for Gagne if true.
I’m just glad it’s not Calzado,Gardner,Jackson or Tabata going here
July 30th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
i really hope they don’t give away karstens because i think he has a better future than marquez.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
“Dan we need more evidence of this being a done deal, you know I already heard a false rumor that sent NYYFANS into panic mode of Gagne to Boston.. as soon as you get an update please post it.”
hehe
July 30th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
I keep hearing about this Gagne to Boston rumor tonight — how did I miss this during the day?
I don’t read NYYFANS anymore, but it seemed to spread like wildfire.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
I too hope they don’t give away karstens - unless they get an extension from Gagne. A more permanent deal, maybe it’s worth it. But a 2-month rental isn’t worth two top tier prospects, one who’s already had some success at the major league level. Maybe there’s some way to get Farnsworth in there…
I mean, who is going to take Farnsworth? Maybe that basketball team that always loses to the Globetrotters…
July 30th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
This is irresponsible. There are no sources.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
I think Karstens is a pitchability guy who projects as a bottom end guy. Plus he seems ready now as a starter for a bad to semi-good team. Plus I dont see as much room on this team in the next couple of years for him. next year the rotation is full. With hughes, wang, mussina, pettitte, clemens, chamberlain. Plus I know its a sin to say but the yankees may need a back up plan to mariano. Im not saying Gagne is it, but for cashman it cant hurt to look.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Jim:
what are the sources here?
seems like this may be a false rumor and nothing else.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Tony, Dan Benton was my source…and I also saw a post of it on the YES message board..
July 30th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
And if they don’t resign Gagne, they most certain will offer arbitration to get draft picks for him
July 30th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
So the source is the YES message board and the NYYFans message boards?
No offense Billy, but those aren’t sources, those are rumor mills. And I was asking Jim since he reported it.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
As far as validity here, guys, I heard the grumblings from Dan Benton and Evan Brunell, two credible writers and front office members of MVN.com, who I’m sure were reporting based on what they believe to be solid sources.
I asked Jimmy to put up a post on the talks — sorry we couldn’t verify anything further, but we’ll cover any updates as soon as they’re made available.
Cory Humes
Director of Baseball, MVN.com
July 30th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Marquez has tons more upside than Karstens….
July 30th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
I heard the rumor of Marquez and Clippard the otherday, so the thought of adding in a level C prospect is a new addition and if anything happens it’ll happen VERY VERY soon, given the deadline. The Rangers were sellers are are trying to stack up some arms…now they’re getting some they like (they’ve especially liked Marquez from what I’ve read). I believe they wanted Marquez because he’s a groundball guy and the worst thing for that team is a flyball pitcher…
July 30th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
Marquez has a lot more upside than some give him credit. I’ve seen his sinker produce piles of groundouts in person and though he’s been striking out less of late in Trenton, he’s a legit prospect. Clippard is a legit prospect as well, who is experiencing an atrocious downward spiral currently. If this deal falls into place, baseball fans outside of NY will think it is a terrible move on Texas’ part. A year from now, it could work out a lot better for the Rangers than many originally figured.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Yeah i remember when Dan Benton covered teh Randy Johnson deal. He was right on long before the deal was ever finished. So when i hear this comes from Dan, I believe it will go down.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Well, if we sign Gagne it could wind up being very good. I mean, imagine how it is to have 2 great closers on 1 team. Plus Chamberlain dominated in the pen tonight, and Vizcaino’s had a sub 2 ERA since the last week of May.
6, 7, 8, 9th innings of potential solid pitching from the pen, meaning we just need the started to go the MINIMUM and keep us in the game to keep us in check for a win.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Chamberlain is short term bullpen…. He’ll be back starting next year i believe.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Marquez make more sense for Texas than fly ball Karsten.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
I got here through a friend and im wondering what real sources you have on this? i figure AP roto world or Rosenthal woulda had their hands on this already
July 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Jim - WHERE ARE THE SOURCES? I am assuming this is a cruel joke. If it’s some confidential connection you might happen to have, then just say it. No offense, but you will lose a lot of credibility if you don’t support this.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
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July 30th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
“Yeah i remember when Dan Benton covered teh Randy Johnson deal. He was right on long before the deal was ever finished. So when i hear this comes from Dan, I believe it will go down.”
Like when we were getting Owings and Nippert for RJ? Or when Conor Jackson was going straight up for RJ? lol.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
@Jon, #28.
Sources
July 30th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
I won’t believe it till I hear it, not from a blog. Its fun to think about though. Hopefully we can unload Worthless somehow now so he can stop ruining our season.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Please tell me its true
July 30th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Dan Benton is a beast when it comes to trades and signings. He always gets the correct information before anyone else reports it. If he says it will happen then it will most likely happen. I have seen him report many many stories before anyone else over at G101. You can say what you want about him, but Dan knows what he is talking about.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Pete Abe over at his blog is denying any trades for Gagne have taken place:
“Meanwhile, despite the unsourced and unconfirmed reports you may be seeing elsewhere, there is no deal yet for Eric Gagne. I’m not saying a deal isn’t out there to be made, but team officials say there is nothing done.”
http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/30/chamberlain-lights-out-in-scranton/#comment-90092
July 30th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
What a nice feeling to be in the discussion to get a guy like Gagne. In years past, we weren’t even in the discussion because of our terrible minor league system. Props to Cashman and Newman and guys like Nardi for bringing in and developing these young guys. Personally, I think A level prospects like Horne, Hughes, Jaba, and Jennedy are guys we keep. B level serviceable major leaguer type prospects like Clipp, Marquez,and Karstens we trade for pieces.
July 30th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Oh my God, I got through!!!! I was trying to pull up the site all night and it was coming up as Word Express Error. What a pain!
Anyway, I heard Jason Stark reported the deal done one ESPN News. I dont know if anyone else heard the same thing or if its legit but thats what I heard.
I hope its true because I think Gagne could be a huge pick up for us. I will really miss Clippard if he’s right though because I think that kid could pitch. I’d rather get rid of Ramerez. Horne is a very good prospect but he’s also had arm problems. I dont know. I know ranking wise those guys are higher but you got to love Clippard. Anyway, I still supose he’s well worth sacrificing for Gagne.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:12 am
Cory Humes-
How could you get rid of Dan Benton man? He’s one of the best writers you have at MVN! His percentage for what he reports as done is higher than most on the net. I dont know what happened but as a regular every-day user of MVN I want you to know that we all miss Dan and hope whatever happened can be worked out so he can come home.
Dan was the reason I stuck with this site. We’d have great discussion over the Yankees at Off The Facade, later The Bronx Block. Through that site I learned of the Giant101 section. Now I frequent Father Knickerbocker section as well. Its writers like that who brings readers in that you want on your site.
Thank you for your time. I just wanted to voice the oppinion of a loyal MVNer.
Sincerely, Gianthinker
July 31st, 2007 at 12:33 am
I disapprove Dan Benton that Myers is considered as a lefty specialist
July 31st, 2007 at 12:53 am
Gianthinker,
This isn’t a discussion that needs to be held in a comments section — if you’d like to talk further, make use of the e-mail link I provided.
I’ll say this much — Dan left The Bronx Block voluntarily to focus his attention on Giants 101 (which I’m fairly sure you read as well). He’s always welcome to write on MVN Baseball, and he knows that. It just so happens that he preferred MVN Football. For what it’s worth, I think our guys do a great job without him — though we’d obviously love to have him around.
I know you’re a long-time commenter, so please don’t hesitate to get in touch if you think more needs to be said. My door’s always open.
Sorry, too, for the WordPress errors.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:03 am
This blows all this talk about Gagne to the Yanks and I bet he goes to the RedSux.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:23 am
Cory Humes-Thank You.
Kj-Dont say that! LOL! Oh my God, I have the same fear. LOL! I hope we get him. But we really need to dump Farnsworth more than anything.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:23 am
It was such a big mistake not resigning Dotel. I called it. He’s better now. Oh well…
July 31st, 2007 at 3:02 am
Both Peter Abraham and Sports Illustrated seem to be reporting conflicting news and they’re actually sources. As much as some of you might like Dan Benton and Evan Brunell personally, I don’t consider them reliable sources for the inside workings of organizations. That the Yankees are close to a deal for Gagne is nothing more than a rampant internet rumor, which is being talked about mostly on Yankees fan boards. Chances are, the rumor probably started there as well.
Peter Abraham has already come out and said that the Yankees being close to a deal for Gagne is nothing more than an internet rumor. He’s confirmed that the rumor is false with members of the organization.
If you want reliable information, SI.com has just reported that out of all the teams pursuing Gagne, the Red Sox are supposedly the ones with the best offer.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/07/31/tuesday.scoop/
July 31st, 2007 at 7:01 am
Kj, take it for what it’s worth, but Gagne can veto a trade to the Red Sox. The Yankees aren’t on his list.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:10 am
You have Jeff Karstens as being traded and also in the proposed B bullpen? What is this a fantasy website? Cmon fellas.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:21 am
Darrel Rasner and Chris Britton in the bullpen? Hahahahahaha. I’m a Yankee fan, and that’s just diarhea with a keyboard.
How about another fantasy trade. Scott Proctor, Farnsworth, and Jeff Karstens (Who we’ll trade twice b/c this is fantasy world) for Seattle’s Putz.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:05 am
Chris,
I have Karstens OR Rasner in the Proposed Bullpen, depending on whether its Karstens or Marquez that gets traded. Either one of them is a better long man than Henn.
I also expect Britton to get a look over Brian Bruney who throws nothing but 100 mph balls.
Use your head for a few minutes before you start bashing people.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:22 am
If you ever saw Rasner, you’d agree that he’s got some very good stuff. BUT, his biggest problem is he seems to run out of gas after 4 innings. What to do then? Oh yes, make him a long reliever of course. I think he is the epitome of a long reliever. He knows how to get out of jams, he has good stuff, and he’s shown he can pitch here. His only problem is he’s a 4 inning guy, meaning he doesn’t have enough endurance to be a starter.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:29 am
I dont know, but based on what I read here about Gagne’s contract, possible veto of a Boston trade, it may help us as he may not want to pitch in Boston.
Personally, I see some possible static in the pen, 2 legit closers,; ie Gossage and Lyle.
Hopefully, professionalism takes over.
Now , I believe Gagne will do nothing but make our pen better, but he’s also a health issue.
Now , thats the negatives.
The positive is if he can adjust to being a setup man, we have a hell of a pen, specially if he’s signs a new contract.
I just hope Cashman is carefull in what he gives up for him.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:00 am
I think there’s a chance Gagne could enjoy being a setup man for us. The main 1 being…the fans.
Just imagine the stadium going wild for a SETUP man. Gagne won’t get to close, but he’s on the bridge to the closer & will be in a position that we’ve lacked strength with. He could be just as popular as a closer;)
July 31st, 2007 at 9:20 am
Giant: You’d rather get rid of Ramirez? Ramirez could be a nice change of pace (pardon the pun) if mixed in with a Rivera, Joba and Gagne. How better to screw up hitters than by going from someone who throws hard to Edwar’s change or vice-versa. One problem the Yanks have is that Bruney, Farnsworth(less) and Proctor are all alternate versions of the same type of pitcher.
One thing beautiful about the Astros before J.R. Richard’s stroke was that they could go from the hard throwing Richard to Joe Niekro’s knuckler to Nolan Ryan’s heater. Think about it.
Chris: As for Rasner, his ERA when he got hurt was 4.01. Compare that with some other guys. Losing him and Karstens really hurt the Yanks this year. Karstens would have been much better than Igawa in the 5 spot, and Rasner could have helped to stabilize the bullpen a little.
Marquez would be a tough loss, but he is behind Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and Horne. Wang is just 27. Those are 5 righties already ahead of him, not to mention Mussina returns in 2008. Although Marquez could possibly pass DeSalvo on the depth chart, he could very well be passed by Dan McCutcheon next year. Marquez is 11-6, 3.15 but has only 66 Ks in 117 IP. Hitters are hitting .268 off of him. Wang has been getting by and has become an ace with few Ks with his power sinker. Whether Marquez can translate into another Wang-type pitcher is anyone’s guess.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:22 am
I don’t have to imagine the crowd going wild for a setup man.
I saw it in 1996 with Mo.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:24 am
I don’t have to imagine the Stadium going nuts for a setup man.
I saw it in 1996 with Mo.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:37 am
I like the one with Karstens and Clippard a lot better than the one with Marquez.
Get him and we have a great bullpen. We get the two prospects for Gagne to don’t forget so the loss of the prospects is softened a little
July 31st, 2007 at 10:07 am
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…!!!
That’s funny as hell! :0D
I’m hearing all over the news that the Sox are the front-runners for Gagne. Check out S.I.’s Heyman’s article for confirmation on that.
The Yankees for all and intents and purposes are OUT OF THE RUNNING for Gagne! Trust me!
“T”
July 31st, 2007 at 10:11 am
Oh yeah, so the fact that Gagne has the Red Sox on the list of teams he can VETO a trade for, and the fact that he’s already said he doesn’t want to go there, means he’s going to the Sox? Oh yes, they could be the frontrunners, they could offer their entire farm…and the trade still couldn’t happen.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:26 am
WHAT IS GOING ON!?????!!??? ITS 11:24 AND MY STOMACH IS IN KNOTS!
July 31st, 2007 at 10:42 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7072074
Ken Rosenthal says the Yanks don’t have him, and probably won’t get him.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:20 am
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the Yankees and Dodgers have completed the rumored Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit trade.
I give a slight edge to Brian Cashman on this trade, given the volatility of relievers. Betemit I think can still be a capable infield regular.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:11 pm
this is a lie, this was written yesterday, there is an article written this morning on mlbtraderumors.com that says the yankees are sorry with there chances, and the red sox are most likely to get him
July 31st, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Wow, what a credible site this is. Most valuable? Is that a joke? I thought Benton left the Giants site to put more effort in here? Does effort ential lying? Don’t post something until you know for sure it is fact, it makes you look ridiculous otherwise. You even went so far as to break down the Yankees’ “new” bullpen. Unbelievable.
July 31st, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Anthony…couldn’t agree with you anymore.I actually laughed out loud.lol He must have got his “reliable source” taking a nap in the RedSox dugout,thinking all along he was in Yankee stadium!
July 31st, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Funny, you must be Red Sox fans in disguise. The source of this was the same 1 who announced Pettitte would be a Yankee a WEEK before anyother person (including Ken Rosenthal and Buster Olney) mentioned it.
Not to mention the Yankees’ offer was a great 1 and they didn’t bend over for the Rangers. Oh yes, that’s clearly what everyone wanted here. I’d rather make no move than give up our future for a rental.
July 31st, 2007 at 3:19 pm
It’s not the point Billy. The point is that the headline of the article said that Gagne to the Yankees was nearly complete when in fact it never was. I’m as big a Yankee fan as any of you and to read that and get my hopes up makes this lackluster trade deadline even more agonizing. There’s a simple rule in reporting: don’t print anything unless you know for a fact it is true. And as an adendum to that, certainly DO NOT post anything encouraging about the Yankees when in fact the news is actually beneficial for our arch rivals. Not fair.
July 31st, 2007 at 3:30 pm
You think this is a site like ESPN or what not? It’s a freaking blog. Most blogs lack credibility, though I think some writers on here dig up good info and are usually right most of the time. The info came from a legit source but apparently the Rangers only wanted our top prospects and there was no middle ground with it.
July 31st, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Nice call and great sources for Gagne to the Yanks. Just goes to prove anyone can have a blog and say whatever they want. The Bronx Block comes off my fav bookmarks. Some reliable source…you just lost all credibility.
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