Kansas City Chiefs’ Offensive Line: Boom or Bust?
I’m gonna begin a new segment called “Boom or Bust.” Today, we’ll begin with the most interesting of all topics for the Chiefs’ offseason: will the Chief’ offensive line boom or will they once again play like limping matadors against opposing defensive lines, helplessly waving a cape in front of a charging bull?
Boom?
DJ from Arrowheadpride gave his five reasons why the Chiefs’ offensive line will be better in 2008. His first point is probably the most compelling. He basically implies that the offensive line couldn’t possibly be worse than it was in 2007. That’s a pretty good point. Watching Welbourn and Terry on the right side of the offensive line was like watching paint dry while repeatedly getting kicked in the privates. Casey Wiegmann has never been a horrible center, but he appears to have aged a bit and looked outmatched much of the time as he operated in more of a power blocking scheme. The Chiefs almost certainly win at right tackle because Damion McIntosh can’t possibly be worse than Chris Terry was. McIntosh has always been a decent run blocker, but he’s often been too slow to keep up with speed rushers. He should fare better at right tackle where he will have to handle slower, power rushers. It will be an adjustment, but he can do it.
Neutral?
I’m actually going to list Rudi Niswanger as a draw over Casey Wiegmann. While Wiegmann was never outstanding in 2007, he did bring exceptional leadership to the offensive line. That’s going to be a hard thing for a fresh fish like Niswanger to replace. I like Niswanger and I think he’ll do just fine, but he will be limited by his lack of experience and he still has not proven anything on the pro level yet. Brian Waters is also a draw, but don’t get ahead of yourself and become too excited just yet. Waters has not played at a pro bowl level since Willie Roaf left and he’s gradually played worse and worse. Last year, he arguably played the worst season of his career. I expect him to become more motivated this season as he tries to lead his young line mates, but I think he gets worse because he’ll be spending a lot of time trying to protect Branden Albert’s behind. Waters’ ups balance out the downs.
Bust?
The last point about Albert allows us to transition to the last category: where do the Chiefs lose? Branden Albert is one player who will likely be a downgrade over last year’s option. I like Branden Albert, but realistically, he’s a developmental left tackle. He’s going to make a lot of mistakes early in the year. Given that we know nothing about what he can do at left tackle, there’s a possibility he could bust outright. That’s a different story from last year, when the Chiefs had a serviceable though not outstanding left tackle in McIntosh. Albert has considerably more upside than McIntosh, but he’s also got considerably more downside.
The other position of concern is right guard, where Adrian Jones is slated to start. This is another position that the Chiefs could amazingly be worse at, in spite of having a lousy option in 2007. Jones played so poorly with the Jets that he went from being a starting left tackle to a midseason cut. Not a promising signing. Arguably, he could transition pretty easily to guard because it’s an easier position to play than left tackle, but Jones has always been a footwork guy and not a power guy. The Chiefs have to be concerned that he’s going to get bulldozed playing guard. Though, there is a possibility that Jones could do just fine. Let’s not forget that this is a team that aims to run first, pass second. Lighter linemen can sometimes be better guards in a zone blocking scheme, because they have superior footwork over mountainous guards.
The Jury
This good news is, this is an offensive line that is a lot of options and a lot of upside. The bad news is, it’s unlikely that the Chiefs find that upside right away. Chances are pretty good that 2 or 3 of the current starters will not be starters 1-2 years from now. The Chiefs’ linemen should benefit greatly from a more unpredictable offense, unlike last season when they played under Mike Solari’s offense. It’s hard to protect against a defense that knows exactly what you’re going to do.
By the end of the season, I sense that the line will have more answers than it has questions. They’ll know if Albert is the real deal or if he belongs back at guard, where he will be a surefire star. If Niswanger isn’t the answer at center, then the Chiefs won’t hesitate to start Wade Smith and potentially move Niswanger to guard. If McIntosh isn’t the answer at right tackle or if he gets injured, which he almost certainly will be, then the Chiefs should give some snaps to Herb Taylor or maybe even Barry Richardson.
My feeling is that the Chiefs’ offensive line begins the season worse than they were in 2007. By the end of the season, they should be significantly better. Because it’s a rebuilding year, I’m okay with that.
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50 Responses to “Kansas City Chiefs’ Offensive Line: Boom or Bust?”
June 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
In 2007 we lead the league in sacks and were 32nd in rushing. Can it get any worse? Literally it cannot.
There is no question in my mind that Branden Albert will be a great Left Tackle in a couple of years. I thought this several months before the Jared Allen trade made it a possibility to draft Albert. But he will have some growing pains as EVERY rookie does transitioning to the NFL. Unless Albert has an absolute disaster of a season, leaking every other pass rusher through, we will not know that Albert is not going to make it at LT this year, and quite likely we will be much more confident that we have our guy for the next 7 or 8 years.
One thing that is going to help Albert out a ton will be Chan Gaileys 2 TE sets. Having a TE next to him to give him a hand will make all the difference in the world while he is getting his bearings at the new position.
McIntosh, I can’t imagine finishing the season without injury. The question is when will the injury occur? If it happens past the 1/2 way mark of the season, there is a good chance we will get a good look at Barry Richardson. My personal opinion is that Richardson has alot of potential, but is going to require some coaching and practice to get his technique down. I don’t think he is going to be ready this year, ideally McIntosh could stay healthy all year and have Richardson ready to go for next year.
I was confused about the leadership you were talking about with Weigmann. How much leadership can a guy on by far the worst offensive line in the NFL possibly be showing? Niswanger will have to get in sync with setting up the blocking assignments, but that is something all Centers do and I don’t forsee it being a big issue.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
ChiefDJ, those are great points. I like Albert’s potential. But McIntosh was a solid but unspectacular LT. An argument I meant to make that I never did was that left tackle is easily the most important position on the offensive line, charged with protecting the QB’s blind side. I see Waters providing a lot of help to Albert in the early going. And while I love the two-TE sets, that also means that when a TE is doing pass protection, they have one less receiver going out on routes.
I’m not sold on Barry Richardson. I tend to side with the scouts, most of which passed on him several times. While a Tom Brady slips to the 6th round every once in a while, it happens more rarely than people believe. There was obviously something in Richardson’s game that every other team in the NFL didn’t want on their roster. My feeling is that the problems are somewhat motivational but mostly due to poor footwork and foot speed. That’s something that concerns me. I’d much rather see Herb Taylor get a shot over there; granted, he’s the contingency plan if Albert ends up being a complete bust.
As for the final point, I can see your point because Wiegmann’s leadership was useless in an offense where defenses knew what they were going to do. Hard to adjust protections when the defense is stacked and ready to stop a play, and your QB isn’t allowed to change the play at the line of scrimmage. That point, I will certainly concede to you. That being said, the leadership thing is still a major obstacle for Niswanger to overcome this season. He’s a smart guy so hopefully he’ll catch on sooner or later, but it’s an understated concept that the center needs to be very involved at communicating the protection to the rest of the line.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
ChiefDJ,
Think you are being too hard on Albert. NFL teams don’t draft “projects” with the 15th overall pick. Unlike many other positions (QB, WR, TE especially), offensive lineman usually start from day 1 if they can play. Many of the players who make up the starting lines of NFL teams started and played well as rookies. They aren’t all 1st rd picks - hell some of them are undrafted FA, but the point is once the whistle blows you can either play or you can’t whn it comes to O-line. Trezelle Jenkins could not - and never did. John Tait could - and became a serviceable starter on some playoff teams. We won’t know about Albert for sure ’til he starts playing - but since he’s a first rd pick you have to think the odds are in his favor.
I think Albert’s transition to LT is overblown for a number of reasons:
1. It’s tentative. Every team in the NFL had Albert as the top OG in the draft, ready to play day 1. If he struggles in camp at LT, Herm will simply re-organize the line. The line is very fluid right now, and Herm has been talking up about how important it is for his O-linemen to be versatile.
2. He was a LT playing G in college. He had been a LT in HS and as we all know D’Brickshaw Ferguson was there when he got to college. He’s built like a LT. He has the agility and footwork of a LT. He IS a LT
3. Yeah he may give up a few sacks and take a few lumps. And yes LT is important. But all we need to do is watch last years tapes to see how important C-RG-RT are. The line is better overall by putting him at LT. He’ll be no worse than McIntosh in all likelihood and McIntosh WILL be better than Terry/Turley. Adrian Jones can’t be worse than Welbourn. Rudy has some real ability at C. So the line as a whole is stronger with this lineup.Albert doesn’t have to be a god at LT day 1.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I agree with DAn good post
Raiders Blow!!!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Sorry Ian Brennan, but you have given the Chiefs a lot of information with your comment. You will be the one blowing hot air out of whichever hole when the raiders play your Chiefs on the second game of the season.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Dan, that’s just the thing. The guys you mentioned above played left tackle in college and still couldn’t make the transition to the NFL. Even Robert Gallery couldn’t cut it, and he was extremely highly rated coming out of college.
Albert’s got great upside and potential, mostly because he has tremendous footwork. But left tackle is an extremely difficult position to play in the NFL and it’s no wonder it typically takes 2-3 years for NFL tackles to find their way. It’s like asking a WR to play QB. It’s an entirely different position in terms of technique and, unlike at guard, you have to be absolutely perfect or you’re toast. If he’s even a second off on the snap count, he may have already lost the battle.
You’re certainly right that C-RG-RT are also important, but LT is easily the most important position on the line. The LT is responsible for protecting the QB’s blind side. Croyle can smell pressure on the right side, but it’s difficult to sense coming from the left. Lots of QBs have gotten injured because they got popped and didn’t see it coming. Joe Montana is one that I immediately think of. The last thing you want is for a speed rusher to come in on Croyle’s blind side and smack him at full speed.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I dont think the Raiders are for real because we beat the Chiefs… Just like us 12 other teams beat you… Its not because we beat you or the Broncos… And we have alot to prove… But what makes me feel better about our chances is that Al Davis went out this offseason and showed his DESIRE to win NOW!!!… unlike cheap ol’ Carl Peterson… Whether it will happen or not is yet to be seen, but we are improved… And the difference between the Raiders and Chiefs last season is it was Lane Kiffin’s first year with the Raiders and in the whole NFL and it was Herm’s _____ year? No excuse but we also had a rookie QB to mentor… And come on we had no real threat at receiver, every team knew we were gonna run the ball and Curry was our over the middle and made the tough catches and Porter was good but very incosistent, we had Daunte Culpepper & Josh McCown… And i think if Daunte would’ve been signed earlier in the offseason and would’ve played more we could’ve maybe won at least 2-3 more games… Remember we were a couple of contraversial calls away from beating the reignning Superbowl Champs you know the team that whooped your team in the playoffs in 05, yeah that one the Colts … As well the Chargers in week 17 when Johnie Lee Higgins muffed a punt at the end of the game which would’ve given us the ball back with a chance to score, As well as week 1 when Mike Shannahan called a timeout before SeaBass kicked the game winning field goal in overtime… And one more time when we were tied i think it was 3-3 with the Bears in the 4th quater and our corner(Fabian Washington, i think) fell asleep and we got beat deep by Bernard Berrian twice…. That killed us since we didnt really have a good passing game… So that would’ve given us 4 more wins… And 4+4 equals 8 and that would mean we would’ve been 8-8… And i think there are a couple more games that went like that… Im not complaining, im just saying thats why im confident… Not because we beat the Chiefs… So this should explain to you Ian and whoever else think the Raiders will “blow”… Oh! By the way Ian go to the link below and see what i wrote in response to your comment….
GO RAIDERS!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
http://mvn.com/nfl-chiefs/2008/06/24/chiefs-prediction-5-chiefs-win-6-games/
for you to see Ian…
GO RAIDERS!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I hope that Albert starts as your LT… And he goes up to Derrick Burgess one-one both times we play you guys… Anyways let me say this, he(Albert) seems very, very much like our beloved Robert Gallery(who found his nitche at left guard)
GO RAIDERS!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
And if the sun rose in the north……. the moss would be on the other side of the trees….and the moss would be fortified with mutant “sun-power”…and goats would eat the moss…….. and candy would grow out of the goats’ rectums……. and it would taste like raspberry pie…… and raspberry pie is red……..and raspberry pie is good…….and the Chiefs wear red…….so they would have been good too……. and the Chiefs would have won 14 games instead of 4 and thats why I’m so positive about “next season” ……
blah blah blah….
Chiefs sucked last year. We’re Chiefs fans.
Raiders sucked (for the 5th year in a row) last year. You’re a Raider fan. —-
We can analize it all to hell and back, but the REAL bottom line is that the reason you are positive about next year is the same reason Chiefs fans are: because it’s your team and you support them.
…. btw I hope Albert starts vs. Burgess both times we play the Raiders also. It’ll be fun to watch a rookie blocker stuff Burgess and rack up 3 or 4 pancake blocks against the often off-balanced rusher that likes to fall over 5-10 times a game.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
didn’t the raiders draft above the chiefs meaning they lost to someone that the chiefs beat right….weird
Raiders Blow!
My prediction chiefs beat the raiders twice this year…..
June 30th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Raider won’t be that good this year and will at best finish third in the AFC West same with the Chiefs
June 30th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Texas Chief… I said i wasn’t complaining “Im not complaining, im just saying thats why im confident”… I dont care how many wins we got last season, or the previous year(because im glad we drafted Mr. RUN DMC)… And no Texas Chief im not just saying im confident because im a fan… In 05 i wasn’t confident and i knew we would suck(not as bad as we did, but i knew we would)…. Were not all the same as you might of thought we were… Hahaha! Albert blocking Burgess should be fun to watch(for Raider fans at least) But Albert pancaking him, dude pass the blunt, or whatever your smoking… That must be some good stuff… Burgess must not fall over to much to have 30+ sacks in the past 3 years…
And ok Ian if you went to the link i left for you… You would know that you have NO CLUE! But i’ll still adress your comment… SO WHAT IF WE DRAFTED A PICK AHEAD OF YOU WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN(OH! CONGRATS YOU BEAT A TEAM WE DIDN’T)… WE HAD THE SAME RECORD… So no the RAIDERS DON’T BLOW, YOU BLOW IN EVERY ASPECT… I dont care what your prediction is… You will NOT beat the Raiders twice and i’ll explain why… Well we have a better offense our running game will be better because our o-line is great in run blocking and they improved drasticaly last season in pass blocking giving up about 25 less sacks then we did in 05 and having the same coaching staff, most of the same players, and the zone-blocking scheme should do nothing but help our o-line improve even more… We also now we have a speedy game breaking RB(Dmac)plus Fargas & Bush… We actually have some weapons at WR in Javon Walker, Drew Carter, Ronald Curry, and whoever else can step up… And our defensive acqusitions will speak for themselves Gibril Wilson, DeAngelo Hall, William Joseph, Edgertaon Hartwell, Kalimba Edwards, Greg Spires, and the resigning of a couple of players… So that should definetly improve of D… Anyways
GO RAIDERS!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 5:21 am
This year’s Oline, good-bad-or indifferent, needs to jell, needs considerable time together to know the other’s moves as well as strengths and liabilities. So, the sooner the ‘chosen 5′ are known, the more time they need to play together as a unit.
Mixing and matching, sending in guys because of poor play or injuries is a certain formula for Oline problems. I’m less concerned about the overall quality of this year’s Oline and more concerned about their playing time together as a cohesive unit.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:48 am
Ron hit the nail on the head. An OL needs consistency and chemistry to be effective - 2 things they completely lacked last year but which are a high priority this year. The way I see it, moving Mac to RT will help with establishing the run in the 1st half which should in turn then allow our maulers (e.g., Richardson and Taylor) to come in and punish Ds later in the game. This should limit Mac’s playing time and exposure to injury while allowing the younger players a better opportunity to gain experience and develop. The same will probably hold true for Albert, Waters, etc in terms of limiting fatigue.
I also see us as having a healthier and deeper unit than last year. Gailey’s approach (design the offense around who you have) will also be an asset for how well this line performs. I also agree about value of the 2 TE set (at least one of which being a true blocker) plus this offense will also have the benefit of a more experienced, lead-blocking FB.
Last but not least, do not discount the importance of attitude and the need for respect. It is a very big deal for offensive lineman and I’d be willing to bet that it is something that will produce major benefits this coming season.
Definitely not bust, probably not boom but very likely better.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Pat T,
It doesn’t matter how good you think your offensive is because bottom line you now have 2 key ball-handlers, a QB and RB, both of whom have a troubling history of making turnovers.
Your analysis of the other side of the ball is just as screwy. If big name talent was the key to success, the Faiders would be in the Super Bowl on a regular basis. But hey, guess what? They’re not because they can’t figure out how to win and then they inevitably self-destruct. You guys had a good coach in Gruden and let him go. Need I say more?
Al Davis should have taken Glenn Dorsey (the better player) but instead went with the fumbler DMC. Stupid move but hey your loss is our gain. 2008 - Chiefs resume their double pwning of the Faiders - like clockwork dude.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:32 am
Ok Double Dickhead… Dmac fumbled the ball over 20 times in college, but more than half of those fumbles came while playing QB and special teams… Which i doubt he’ll be playing either of those in the NFL…
And Russell where did he throw alot of INT’s or fumble alot? Because you said “2 key ball-handlers, a QB and RB, both of whom have a troubling history of making turnovers”… Well when was this? Do you think if he did fumble that much or throw alot of INT’s do you think Al Davis would’ve picked him over Calvin Johnson(Al Davis’s type of WR, big, fast, & good hands)… I dont think so because we all know Johnson tempted Davis and if we would’ve had a legitament QB he would’ve taken CJ… So i dont think so… Try again…
So Al Davis let Jon Gruden go… And what? Yeah! He was a good coach, but he wanted to leave… And we got value for him… But hey were not the only team to let go of a good coach or player… Yeah! You know how you let go of Jareed Allen the player that made your team competive and kept constant pressure on opposite QB’s… So dont mention that… “Need I say more?”…
And its obvious your gonna say Dorsey’s the better player… NO SHIT! But we have a young QB… Im not gonna deny it i wanted Dorsey, until i saw what Dmac could do and how he could help Russell… As well as find out how many injuries Dorsey has had(he’s very tough, but seems to be injury prone)… ENOUGH SAID!
July 1st, 2008 at 10:32 am
GO RAIDERS!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am
“And its obvious your gonna say Dorsey’s the better player… ”
Before the draft, most scouts said it too…
July 1st, 2008 at 10:52 am
JaMarcus stats, after his 1st 3 starts:
2 TD
4 INT
3 FUM
3 losses
Rtg: 55.9
Plus, if you count the one other that he played in, his fumble total comes to 4.
Troubling indeed.
July 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
pat T cake - what makes you so positive that the Faiders will not use DMC as a returner?
July 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
He’s too valuable, same reason that Hall may not see returns. By the way, at least we have a QB, you guys don’t even know who yours is going to be, just like last year. QB roulettes lead troubled seasons, look at (sorry to say) the Raiders, Chiefs, Jets, Ravens, and Dolphins records, craptastical. Now we no longer have that problem and you do. Besides that, your QB both are mediocre. If you had actually drafted a quality QB and not gotten rid of Jared Allen, I might have considered the Chiefs better than the Broncos. Oh well.
July 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
You no longer have that (QB) problem? Since when? Russell is fat, stiff-hipped, and hangs onto the ball too long. He’s gonna get eaten alive by the defenses of the AFC West and teams like TB. He has absolutely nothing to show for himself as an NFL QB and everything to prove. The primary reason he made a name for himself in college is because he had Dwayne Bowe catching everything thrown his way. And speaking of Dwayne Bowe, he is somebody who actually has proven himself to be an outstanding receiver without the great JaMarcus Russell throwing to him. We’ll just have to see if JaFattass is as anywhere as close to being the level of impact player that Bowe is - I pretty much guarantee he won’t be.
As far as Croyle goes, I’ve seen enough of him to know that he can be quite effective when he is allowed more than a 3 step drop which admittedly was pretty rare last season.
I like the Chiefs odds over the Faiders when it comes to the question of QB success this season.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:19 pm
right, sorry that Bowe had more chances to prove himself when Russell only played in 4 games with a crappy receiver corps and Barry Sims protecting him. He showed a lot of promise in the Chargers game (where they used their starters by the way) And if you’d known anything from the raiders OTAs, you’d know that Russell is doing good with quick-release. By the way, good job on the fat joke, like I’d never heard that one before. He’s not fat seeing as he’s lighter than he was last year and almost at his college size. You should also know, that it’s his natural build that makes him heavy. Point is, he hits the weight room everyday and works with his receivers all the time. He’s mobile and can run the ball well. He’s even broke some tackles. You’re right that Bowe is very good, I’ll give you that. It is nice to see a Chiefs fan who’s willing to admit that their O-Line was bad. But you i never recall you defending the QB question and that when it comes to QB success, it starts with having a starter already decided.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Ok, Double Dickhead… I’ll explain to you if you didn’t understand it from Ka1z3r then you might understand it now… Russell started ONE(1) GAME! the last game of the season… And your right Dwayne Bowe is very good… And i bet J.R misses that type of receiver, about as bad as Bowe misses a good QB like Russell… And “JaFattass”, you my friend have just earned the idiot card… Dude thats an OLD, OLD, OLD rumor… He’s back around 260… And like Ka1z3r said hitting the weight room everyday… And after training camp he should be even smaller… So think of a new game… But back to the ball handling one of the fumbles Russell had was one that just bounced off of his hands(which he recovered)… Another one was one in the last game where he was blindsided, because Barry Sims couldn’t handle the Chargers back up OLB…. So one of those can be avoided with a little more practice with the center… And the second could be avoided if the LT blocks his blindside… As for the INT’s, 3 of them came against THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR… The Jaguars… In a game when every single Oakland Raider player played a HORRIBLE GAME… And the 4th came against the Bolts on J.R’s first throw… In a stupid screen play that Igor Olgshansky(DE) read and got himself into a good position… But other than that Russell had a GREAT GAME!
And abotu Dmac, no he will most likely not touch the ball on special teams… Unless we need better field position… And i think they’ll give that to DeAngelo Hall not Dmac… Its also to much of a risk…
And Croyle sucks…
July 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
And no DUH! you pick the Chiefs QB situation over ours… Like your fellow fan said, not sure who… You pick them because you a Chiefs fan… Plain and simple… And “Faiders” & “JaFattass”? Come on even a DOUBLE DICKHEAD CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER… IF YOU WANNA MAKE A JOKE BE MORE CREATIVE….
GO RAIDERS!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Hmmm, if Bowe is a magical receiver who makes quarterbacks great, why was Croyle below mediocre?
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:11 am
pat t cake: 2 things I know … 1) u gotta million excuses for why your qb stunk it up and 2) that your *o**a loves the double dh.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:24 am
Hey Pat T. No one cares what you think. Your a Raiders fan who writes on a Chiefs blog. You must have a lot of time on your hands. I could care less whether the Raiders are better than us next year. I think we should all just ignore Pat. He is just trying to get a “rise” out of us. He thinks he knows what he is talking about so I’ll just let him think that.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:35 am
Oh and I love hearing Raider fans say, but this happened, and this happened. Could I hear some more excuses from you all. I’m a Chiefs fan and I will admit that they SUCKED last year. I’m not going to make up excuses why they sucked. (Like not having Larry Johnson when our whole game plan was based on him.) Do Chiefs fans go on the Raider blog and make fun of the Raiders? Pat you have NO CLASS. This is why I HATE the Raiders. They are full of players who have no CLASS and their fans are even worse. I can’t believe you all think you are so good when you drafted ahead of us and you have beatin the Chiefs ONCE in the last 3 or 4 years.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:37 am
Oh I forgot to add.
Go Chiefs!
I’m cool now like Pat.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:10 am
you guys are no longer worth this crap. Pat T and I are speaking in an unbiased manner (ok Pat’s getting a little eccentric) and you ignorant Kansas City Creeps don’t listen to it because you won’t stop hanging all over your beloved LJ and how your O-Line will be better this year despite doing little to improve it and your offense in general. Oh and Brandt, Double D comes on the Raiders page all the time. Have fun sinking to 2-14 to 4-12 this year.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:18 am
Hey Brandt - if you want to see full detachment from reality, you really should go check out the Raider’s blog. They’ve got bloggers over there predicting the Faiders could go 11-5. It’s hilarious!
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:30 am
Fresh -
Despite predictable playcalling, no audibles, no running game, and no blocking Croyle still managed to have 69.9 QB rtg.
With better playcalling, audibles, a decent running game and better blocking Russell could only muster a 55.9 QB rtg.
What I want to know is just who the hell are you to be calling our starting QB “below mediocre?”
You Raiders fans crack me up.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:36 am
I’m not hanging on LJ. Like I said we sucked last year. I don’t even like LJ. My favorite player is one of the best tight ends to play the game. I don’t expect the Chiefs to be good next year KA1Z3R, but I also don’t think the Raiders are going to make a playoff run after having the same record as us last year. I come to this blog to read about the Chiefs and what their fans think. I don’t like to read Raider fan comments that say I don’t know what I’m talking about. Maybe I don’t know as much as you KA1Z3R or you Pat but maybe that is because I have a life.
GO CHIEFS
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:42 am
Hey KA1Z3R - so posting once a Raiders blog somehow qualifies as coming “on the Raiders page all the time?” Oh wait, I get it, you’re a Raiders fan & inflating numbers about your team is just part of your DNA.
Honestly though I would encourage any Chiefs fans to check out your goofy Raiders page at least once - the entertainment factor is huge.
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Kaizer (yes I refuse to type out that idiocy of an internet name) and Pat T,
As I stated before…. it’s all about supporting your team. You have BOTH quoted poor line play (by Sims), lack of time to start, missing time in practice, and a poor reciever core as reasons why J.R. didn’t play very well at all last year. You BOTH go on to explain how is your new franchise guy and tell all us Chiefs how great this completely unproven NFL player is, and will be. — Tell me again how your opnion is unbiased and the Chiefs fans are all biased! Really, I wanna hear it again. It makes me laugh.
Brodie Croyle — Poor Offencive line play (even worse than the Raiders), No starting running back (out injured 1/2 the season and hold out through training camp), aside from D. Bowe (who was an unknown quantity last year) a poor reviever core. — Look around the roster.. Sammie Parker, Eddie Kennison, Jeff Webb??? who? — The TE T.G. was the saving grace (and has been for years).
By your own idiot Raider logic the fact that L.J. is healthy, the line should be much improved, and we added a very fast RB in the draft to the Chiefs… Brodie Croyle should be, without a single doubt, a MONSTER at QB this year.
The Chiefs fans just aren’t blindly drinking that Kool-Aid like the Raiders fans are. We wanna see it happen first. If anyone is thumping a biased opnion here it’s the Raiders. At least Croyle had some success passing to D. Bowe and T.G. last season. It’s something tangable to build on. J.R. has NOTHING tangable to build on in the passing game.
The Chiefs are also going to add check downs, audibles, a lot of play action, and a zone blocking scheme this year. These are all things to help IMPROVE the QB play. If only ONE of those things works Croyle should be better than last year. If more than one works we should see a completely different QB (We’re hoping more and more like the college guy we drafted). — That’s realistic. Cheifs fans are hoping for improved line play, added offensive scheme changes, MUCH better play calling by a new OC, and a starting RB to be on the field. — Raiders fans are TELLING us that FOR SURE their unproven QB with almost NO starting experience behind an unproven pass block line, with an unproven NFL RB (DMAC) where the BOTH the QB and RB have a fumblitis history is FAR FAR superior to Croyle.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then it’s just a bunch of words on a page. And not very realistic words either.
I have NEVER predicted anything but a rebuilding season for my Chiefs. I have never said that they are gonna be a powerhouse next year. I am VERY realistic about the Chiefs chances to improve in 6 key areas on O and 4 key areas on D all at one time, in one season, with 30+ rookies and 1st year players on the roster. BOTH the Raiders and Chiefs finished 4-13 last year. The Raiders were slightly worse, hence the draft pick spot one higher. — The Chiefs decided that after 15 years of throwing money at free agents to fill holes it was time to build from the draft. The Raiders (i.e. the Nutball Al Davis) decided to go blow 200 million dollars on a whole bunch of “mediocre” talent (not counting one guy) that are NOT the best in the game at their positions in any way shape or form. (although improvements over what ya had last year). Davis is trying to win before he DIES. The best thing that could to happen to the Raiders on a managerial level would be for that nutball to retire or cash in his bucket list. The Chiefs and the Raiders aer both very established teams with very certain ideas about how to run their orrinizations. Until Lamar Hunt’s death the Chiefs were in the same boat. ie.. a team STILL stuck in how the game was 20 years ago. There was a time that Free Agency was the way to build a winning team. Thats just not the truth anymore. SOME free agents are a must, but the draft and developing talent is the ONLY way you build a winner in the salary cap era. You can fill the blanks, but you have to build the team first.
Cheifs fans are biased and unrealistic.. HAHAHAHAHAHA. I’ll believe that when J.R. passes for 4000 yards and 40 touchdowns in 08-09 while DMAC runs for 2000 yards at the same time. — Wanna talke about realism?
Realism: The Chiefs and the Raiders both suck. Until they prove otherwise they are just fighting for the second to last spot of the AFC. A series of 2 games between old long time rivals where neither team has proven to be anything but a work in progress WILL be competative. I look for to the games.
Arguing on the internet is just like the special olympics: Even if you win, You’re still retarded
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
4-12
not 4-13 — again.. hunt and peck typing
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Brandt if you dont like it feel free to leave…. Have a life hahaha! Nice comeback…. AT LEAST THE OTHER GUYS HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO SAY… THAN I HAVE A LIFE!
GO RAIDERS!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Texas Chief- I see your point on Russell being unproven, but with the style of play he had in college and his NFL games, and with most of the faults improved to fit his ability, he SHOULD have a good season. I do apologize because, as you pointed out, that sounded biased. I also think that the raiders have done more to improve themselves than the rest of the division and are better than the Broncos. Denver’s in a bit of a slump with an aging defense and an offense that’s going a tad downhill. I think the raiders will take the second or third spot in the division fighting off the Broncos and going 9-7. This is because of a fairly easy schedule and a good defense. I do have several doubts about this season but e should be vastly improved from last year.
Brandt- Like I said before, I’m not predicting a playoff run.
Double D- Didn’t you come and post on the Peyton Manning thread and the crucial points, I’m fairly new and thinking I saw you twice I figured you did that every now and then. (the Peyton thing may have been a different Chiefs fan I can’t remember.) I don’t inflate numbers. I think McFadden won’t get nearly as many yards as Fargas because we didn’t draft him for that. I also think Russell and this pass offense won’t rank in upper half, but close. This is because of our shaky tackle position.
And to whoever continues to claim we have no lives is an idiot. You don’t know who people are and have no business judging them based on who they root for and who they root against and assuming just because we’re checking on our team and the opposition that we have nothing better to do. This is called being a fan and supporting something you believe in. When your team’s being trashed, it’s natural to be enraged and defend your team. I have hobbies and a life, everyone does. Sorry that we check out sites on our sports teams and actually care for the team unlike the bandwagoners like the Chargers and Pats. Sorry we’re supporting a team who may come out of a slump and has a chance at becoming a force to reckon with like it was for many years. You should respect for you’re going through the same thing we went through for six years. It doesn’t feel good when someone trashes you for being bad does it. If anything, we’re excited and getting payback. I apologize for being a little biased. I thought the Broncos were bad, but man you guys really take the freaking cake.
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
“Wanna talke about realism?”(Texas Chief) Go look at people(Chiefs fans) predicting that the Chiefs will beat the Patriots week 1…
http://mvn.com/nfl-chiefs/2008/06/24/chiefs-prediction-5-chiefs-win-6-games/
I never said we would make the playoffs or that Dmac would even rush over 1,000yds… I know Kiffin will ease him into the action, I also know J.R will most likely struggle in a couple games… Like most other QB’s… And like i said before its VERY, VERY simple Brandy if you dont like it than click the big X in the top right hand corner… “because I have a life” hahaha! lol…
But im glad to hear you stopped with the retarded jokes JaFatass… Yeah! You Double Dickhead… Your just like that kid Ian just sit and wait around for someone else to comment so you jump on their bandwagon… Example… “Hey Brandt - if you want to see full detachment from reality, you really should go check out the Raider’s blog” then you probably giggle like a little girl… You are a funny dude… To say the least…
Brodie Croyle a monster QB? huh? Texas Chief… Do us all a favor and pass whatever your smoking because thats gotta be some good stuff, if you actually belive that… Croyle has never been a so called “MONSTER”… Not even in college was he… Or else he would’ve been drafted somewhere in the top 2 rounds… Ya Think?!?!?
GO RAIDERS!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Here is a fact both teams are going to be better than last year….yes i said both as much as i hate it the raiders made good free agent pickups and the Chiefs had an amazing draft…… opinion….neither team will make the playoffs …..I think that the chargers will be the only one from our divison to make it…..
Both teams still have major concerns on the Offensive line, and i don’t think either team has fixed it completley yet…..I do think the chiefs running game will be much better withJohnson , Charles and Smith, by the way go to arrowheadpride.com and look at the bottom for a charles highlight film its great, but anyways its almost all speculation right now and nobody can say what is going to happen accurately
July 2nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
That is real clever calling me Brandy too Pat. I’m real glad you think I’m funny too. I do giggle when I look at your blogs. I’m a fan too but I don’t trash talk you on your Raiders blog. Your so original with your lines. Double dickhead??? that is so good. How long did it take you to think of that? I also guess you can’t pick up on sarcasm. Tex was mocking you all when he said Croyle would have a MONSTER year. Guess you were too stupid to pick up on that huh? Oh and I do think I’ll go enjoy some of that good stuff.
GO CHIEFS!!!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
“”Brodie Croyle a monster QB? huh? Texas Chief… Do us all a favor and pass whatever your smoking because thats gotta be some good stuff, if you actually belive that… Croyle has never been a so called “MONSTER”… Not even in college was he… Or else he would’ve been drafted somewhere in the top 2 rounds… Ya Think?!?!? “”
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Read the whole post Pat, not just the parts you wanna comment on:
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“By your own idiot Raider logic the fact that L.J. is healthy, the line should be much improved, and we added a very fast RB in the draft to the Chiefs… Brodie Croyle should be, without a single doubt, a MONSTER at QB this year.”
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I was explaining that by the same idiot logic that makes J.R. a guarenteed success in the NFL based on the comments from you and Kaiser that Croyle would be a MONSTER. — sarcasm —
btw — if you will look again at that article you linked it perdicts SIX wins for the season. — Yes, one of them is a week 1 SHOCKER (that I’d disagree with vehemently), but its a 6-10 season perdiction. —
2007: 4-12
12 draft choises including 2 1’s, a 2, and 3 3’s, a change at OC, OL coach, QB coach, LB coach, a chance from the 2nd oldest and 1st slowest team in the NFL to one of if not the youngest and one of the faster…
2008 perdiction: 6-10 — Hmmm… article seems ok to me. A 2 win increase over the last season. —
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““Wanna talke about realism?”(Texas Chief) Go look at people(Chiefs fans) predicting that the Chiefs will beat the Patriots week 1…
http://mvn.com/nfl-chiefs/2008/06/24/chiefs-prediction-5-chiefs-win-6-games/
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Im sure YOU ment your question to be sarcastic, but it’s not. That IS realism. 6 wins for the year. A modest improvement over the previous season during a rebuilding year. You don’t like the choise of wins, but it’s still only 6 wins. — Once again I’d say to you— Read the whole article, not just the parts you want to comment on.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:23 pm
1) Brandy whose talking trash? I only talk trash to people who talk trash to me first… But don’t get your pannies in a bunch here… Its all fun & games… Its only football i love the Raiders, but i know the chances of Lnae Kiffin to be back next year are slim to none… Unless by some miracle we won the Superbowl… And about the Brnady nickname it took me about 2-3 minutes while i got up to get me a bottle of water… So not to long… And no Brandy, its not that im too stupid(cough, cough, i wouldn’t talk)… Like “Tex” said i didn’t read the whole post…
2) Ian no one CARES!!!
3)”Tex” let me say this you are correct i should’ve read the whole post… But i speak for myself… I dont remember saying that J.R would be a “MOSTER”… I said and i’ll say it again he has a chance to be a “MONSTER”… With his body size(stregnth), arm strength, mobility, work ethic, etc, but who wouldn’t think that… He has everything a good/great QB needs…
4) I didnt say i disagreed with 6 wins all i said was this…with the Chiefs beating the Pats… I think it was D. Dickhead that said the Pats would be over confident so the Chiefs would win…
GO RAIDERS!!!
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Dude i didn’t evewn say anything against you and you called me out….I was trying to let this go, and im sorry if i pisssed you off i was a dick my bad, but dude this is a chiefs site all you are trying to do is casue shit, we don’t care what you think and you don’t care what we think so why don’t we both do each other favors and drop it, if you don’t want to…..fine but i don’t know how old you are but i said im sorry and if it isn’t over you have some serious growing up to do…..just drop it and actually talk football, so stop making fun of peoples names and i ask that they do the same….just quit man
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Aaaaaawwwww! But i’ve been talking football… “Its all fun & games”… Dont be so sensitive i’ll say it again its all fun & games nothing serious….
GO RAIDERS!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Hey pat T the raiders won 4 games not 8 the season is over now you make htink it is fun put this is about the chiefs go do ona raiders thing. The worse case senario with Brandon albert is he busts his first at LT so the chiefs yet agian get a high round draft and they draft michael oher out of ole miss and move albert inside and he becomes a perinial pro bowler for years to he brings a mean streak when hes on the field also he is very athletic and has great footwork. Also our offense looked horrible when the defense new what we were doing Mike solari made us so predictable and thats why he got the boot. Pat T that wouild make my life if i saw the chiefs beat the Patriots and Tom Brady has a horrible year
July 4th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Well John Willsey don’t hold our breath on it… And i never said we won 8 games…
GO RAIDERS!!!
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