July 2, 2008
Oakland Raiders: Five things to love about them in 2008
What a whirlwind of an offseason this has been so far! It started prior to the end of the Raiders last game of 2007 and the winds of change have continued to 'dust up' many negative insights about the Oakland Raiders as an organization. In fact, many would wonder, with all of the stories written since the end of week 16, is there any organization to the Raiders at all?
It would be so easy to begin believing that there is no hope if you were to have little faith to begin with. If you don't believe, or have little belief left that the Raiders will have a good 2008, then you need to relax a little and take solace with a few reasons that the Raiders are ready for a good year.
1. DEFENSE
Despite the naysayers consistently laughing and pointing out that our run defense won't be good, there are plenty of reasons to believe that they are wrong. Starting from the middle of the line, Terdell Sands will be a changed man in 2008. We all, including myself, forget that he was dealing with a personal tragedy prior to the season last year and it continued into last year. Sands wasn't even serviceable until week 10, and by that time it's too late.By all reports, he's been at the facility working hard and is planning on proving himself this season. If he's on his game this year, he has the ability to be a force and a Pro Bowl player. Yes, I'm being like Babe Ruth calling his shot, Terdell Sands will play at a Pro Bowl caliber level.
Tommy Kelly is an interesting figure on the Raiders line. Naysayers point out that the Raiders rushing defense improved after his injury in 2007. They also tell us that the Raiders wasted a lot of money on an average player. If they did, we'll continue to hear about it for years to come.
Let me make it clear, I was never one to like Warren Sapp. I have always respected his abilities, his work ethic, and his honesty, but for some reason he's always sort of rubbed me the wrong way. That being said, when Sapp tells you that Tommy Kelly is going to be the best three technique in the game, then it's hard to not take his word for it. When is the last time Sapp said good things about a bad player? The answer is NEVER, which is probably why he's always rubbed me wrong. He's usually too honest in my opinion.
Besides the interior of the line, the exterior looks meaner and nastier than it has in a decade. With Derrick Burgess, Jay Richardson, Greg Spires, and Kalimba Edwards rushing from the outside, the Raiders have four legitimate threats at the defensive end position.
They also have depth there with Trevor Scott being drafted in the sixth round. Fred Wakefield is moving from the tight end position back to his original NFL spot as a defensive end and the Raiders have also signed rookie undrafted free agents Greyson Gunheim and Derrick Gray. Rest assured that whoever makes the squad at this position has shown that they're worthy of it.
With Morrison and Howard proving to be the best pass-defense linebacker tandem in the league, they'll now have to show that the run is not a problem for them as well. We're talking about players in their third and fourth years! These are the years where the word 'prime' replaces 'playing' when talking about their 'time' on the field.
With Edgerton Hartwell, Robert Thomas, and Sam Williams competing for the SAM linebacker spot, 'serviceable' will be the minimum that the Raiders should expect.
All of this so far, and I haven't even mentioned the defensive backs. DeAngelo Hall and Gibril Wilson join Nnamdi Asomugha and Michael Huff to form one of the most electric secondaries in the NFL. The only question about this group is, 'How many interceptions are they going to get?'
2. Darren McFadden
I railed against this pick prior to the 2008 NFL draft, but later after watching more and more tape on him I became a true believer. If nothing else, he's going to be a very exciting player to watch this year. Very few players who've played the game can elicit as much anticipation for them to touch the ball as McFadden will in the silver and black.He's the threat that the Raiders have needed for since Kaufman retired. The Raiders have had good, if not better, backs since Kaufman, but not one that could break open a game on an off tackle run. McFadden is that guy, and even if the Raiders are not playing well, it will be fun to watch when he's in the game.
3. JaMarcus Russell
He's bound to draw the ire of the Raider Nation plenty this season since it will be his first full one at the helm of the offense, but his raw talent alone will bring thrills when it comes together for him. A guy that can throw as hard and far as he, can throw on the run, and move in the pocket, he's going to create many a play just because he's avoided a sack.In his brief tenure as the starter in 2007, we all saw the good and bad of a rookie quarterback in the NFL. With his work ethic in the offseason, his remarkable ability to recall plays that were given to him prior to being selected number one, and his cool calm demeanor, we might be in store for a big surprise...a good one that is.
Regardless of how rocky that the season is for the young quarterback, Raider Nation is going to have to love that the kid is going to improve. If he has a better than average season this year, he's going to draw quite a bit of praise and give the organization and the fans plenty of hope for the future. Anything less, and that group of people will be looking for the positives going forward which is good for a young quarterback when the pressure is off. Next year, he won't be so lucky.
4. Continuity in the staff
I've seen plenty of posts on this and other boards to know that Kiffin & Co. are not the most revered staff by some of the Raider Nation. Even the disinters must agree that having them back for a second season can do nothing but improve the team.It's difficult in light of some of the incidents that have occurred since season's end to be so optimistic about a happy ending, but having Kiffin return to continue his mission to bring the Raiders back to respectability can only help the young team. Cohesive, consistent direction is important when you are one of the youngest teams in the NFL, and with Kiffin's return the Raiders have another year to develop.
The one member of the coaching staff that everyone agrees with is Tom Cable. How can you not after last year? While Greg Knapp gets virtually no credit and Tom Rathman is usually forgotten in the discussion, the three of these guys together have helped the Raiders attain a top six ranking last season in rushing.
Interesting note on Greg Knapp. His first offensive coordinator position was with the Niners in 2001 where Rathman was the running backs coach. In 2003 he took over the Falcons play calling duties, without Rathman who went to Detroit, and where Cable later joined him in 2006. Since 2001, Greg Knapp's offenses have ranked in the top six every year in rushing except for his first season in Atlanta where they ranked 14th. Take a look at his record in that span:
- 2001 Niners - rushing rank 2
- 2002 Niners - rushing rank 6
- 2003 Falcons - rushing rank 14
- 2004 Falcons - rushing rank 1
- 2005 Falcons - rushing rank 1
- 2006 Falcons - rushing rank 1
- 2007 Raiders - rushing rank 6
So besides remembering the guy for the T.O. tirade he endured on the sidelines as the Niner coordinator, try and remember him as an offensive coordinator that knows how to run the ball.Some will say, "What about his passing ranks?" When the Raiders become a passing team, which they won't be again this year, then we'll worry about that. Let's just say that when he had a better than average quarterback, the offense passing rank was in the top half of the league.
5. Schedule
In business, the first, second, and third, consideration prior to starting has always been location, location, location. In the NFL, when considering the chance a team has of having a good season it's schedule, schedule, schedule.As the Raiders have seen in the past few years, the 'last place' schedule hasn't been the easiest in the league. When you have to face the previous year's contestants in the Super Bowl every year, and they aren't from your division, you have to wonder how the schedule was made.
This year, the Raiders do not have a reason not to do well. With two games against the Chiefs and Broncos, it's unrealistic to believe that they can't at least split those series. They may have it easy against the Bills if Marshawn Lynch is suspended to start the season, and with the Ravens, Falcons, and Dolphins on the schedule they have the ability to win all four games.
That's six to eight very winnable games, in which the Raiders may actually be the favorite in most of them, something that the Raider Nation hasn't seen in nearly four years. Other games against the Panthers, Saints, Texans, and Jets look promising as well and that takes care of twelve games on the schedule.
The toughest matchups the Raiders will face this year are two games against the Chargers, then one each against the Patriots and the Buccaneers in Tamp Bay to end the season. I'll be surprised if Randy Moss has a great day against Asomugha and more surprised if the Raiders aren't competitive with Norvell's Chargers both games.
My words to Raider Nation: Continue to keep your head up, stay loud, and don't back down to the naysayers. It doesn't matter in the end if the Raiders win the Super Bowl or have a losing season, the same people will be finding chinks in the Raider armor just the same. So don't let them get you down, because although I've only named five things to love about them, there are many more reasons that can be found to do the trick.
Just keeping our head up here at TFDS
Discussion
28 Comments on "Oakland Raiders: Five things to love about them in 2008"
#2
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#3
Posted by PortlandRaider, July 2, 2008 10:27 AM
I agree with your points Rob...Rome was not built in one day! We have upgraded many of our positions and we will have at least one more year of the same coaches! True competition will work out the best players to suit up on Sunday. I am in...again! Can't wait for training camp....pre-season to start......and then....lets rock and roll!!!!!
#4
Posted by Tyler, July 2, 2008 10:38 AM
Hailing Greg Knapp a heroic offensive coach is getting a little ahead of ourselves. It's easy to lead the league in rushing when Mike Vick is gaining you an extra 700 yards from the QB position. But it IS obvious that him and Cable are getting every inch of talent and skill from the players, and if they do that with McFadden...well...Raider vs Charger games will be amazing!
#5
Posted by The San Clemente Kid, July 2, 2008 10:45 AM
Great outlook and much of what we at the Fox Raiders Blog have been saying..... 2008 is going to surprise many out there.... and the Nation will be proud once again!!!
#6
Posted by Coach Elkins, July 2, 2008 3:53 PM
Rob, you could sell ice to an eskimo. You almost had me believing this BS.
Ha ha, hold on a second while I finish laughing. First off, I gotta comment on the fact that you brought up our schedule.
If I was coaching this team, I would be pissed off that our schedule was so weak. Who the hell wants a weak schedule? Certainly not me. I wanna play the best teams, coach against the best coaches, and earn victories we can be proud of...
Oh yippee, we might win 8 games cause the opponents are weak. That's like trying to marry your Supermodel Cousin. Wake the @@@@ UP!
Who cares about just victories. It's Super Bowl or Bust. If we make it to the championship game and lose cause we can't stop the run you'll write a post blaming some other piece of the puzzle. The fact of the matter is your job is to create some buzz so Mr. Davis can sell some tickets. Who the hell cares?
If the Raiders would do the little things right the big things would take care of themselves.
You post is extremely well written, but lacks one major theme. THE TRUTH!
Good Talk Rob...trust me, you're gonna learn to love me!
#7
Posted by OregonRaider, July 2, 2008 5:18 PM
Ok Coach,
You have a lot right. Get the little things done correctly and the big ones will start falling in place. You are also right about about playing tough teams. You don't get much better when you play a bunch of pansies and it doesn't really prepare you for the playoffs.
I like Robs article and optimism is great this time of year.
As for our luck in the schedule. The teams are pretty much set on a rotation and predetermined long before playoffs and a superbowl team wins. A team that is great one year isn't always great the next and visa versa.
Waiting for you to enlighten me on "THE TRUTH"
#8
Posted by Rob Calonge, July 2, 2008 5:19 PM
Tyler - While I wasn't hailing Knapp as an offensive genius, I was only listing his record in a category that the Raiders offense will rely on while Russell is getting the feel for the game. What better way to develop a young QB than to have a great running game? Knapp's record is not just with Vick. He's got two years with a poor Niners team, a year with a poor Raiders team, and while true that Vick ran for almost 2500 yards while he was with Atlanta, I don't recall the running backs having much trouble either.
Coach - It's true, I have sold ice to Eskimos, I don't know who told you about that, but I may as well come clean. I've also sold electric blankets to South Floridians, and have made attempts to sell democracy to socialists...but with little luck. :-)
I think that the 'wanting' of a tougher schedule is admirable, but the TRUTH is the Raiders are young, lack confidence, and will need the first half of the year to get to the point of 'world beater.'
At the start of last year, nobody thought the Giants would go anywhere. The same with the Packers and the Browns. All of these teams played against inferior competition enough in the first half of the season to gain enough momentum to give them a chance in the playoffs.
Take a look at the Warriors of the past two years. The first season, they were able to sneak up on some teams and barely make the playoffs. In season two, they played the best teams all year, and did well, only to not make the playoffs.
We disagree on this point, but I'd rather see the Raiders make the playoffs at a weak 10-6 or 11-5, than to NOT make the playoffs at a strong 8-8 or less. At least once they make the playoffs, anything can happen. Nobody would've thought at the start of last year's playoffs that Eli Manning would be the most consistent QB throughout. They won a Super Bowl. The Raiders can't win one unless they make it to that second season.
They have no excuse not to make the playoffs this season, in my opinion. If they don't, I won't be blaming the schedule and I won't attribute the record to a tough one either. That's the truth. :-)
If I can learn to appreciate Mike49er, I can do anything!
#9
Posted by cujo, July 2, 2008 5:47 PM
Coach Elkins, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about,What you fail to realize is we are a team that:
1) has to build it's confidence
2) needs to win to do this and start believing in themselves.
3) is very young and needs to learn the system.
after this is accomplished you are very right in all your points, but a team with no clear direction is just a bunch of guys in disarray, and end up with 19 wins in 5 years... sound familiar?? They have to build up to the point where they have respect to play for, right now the Oakland Raiders are the laughing stock, this schedule gives us a chance to gain the self respect this team will need to make it to the superbowl. if by chance we are good enough with this schedule to make the playoffs we have at least 5 games against "playoff" teams and that will prepare us enough to play respectably and hopefully win a game or two. no one in the "nation" expects a superbowl victory this year but everyone can see we are on the right track. anyone who expects a ring this year has no idea how this game works let alone the real world. You need to realize you can not instill self respect in one training camp even if everyone turns out to be the "perfect" fit, that being said do you know anyone who gives 110% without self respect..... I sure as hell dont. I believe we will gain that this year and only go up.. back to the glory the raiders are known and loved for. I AM IN and will follow my team to the end of the earth and back, but I'm not delusional
#10
Posted by Jeff, July 2, 2008 6:16 PM
Nice article. It's about time someone in the media put the positives out there.
#11
Posted by Coach Elkins, July 2, 2008 6:27 PM
Oregon Raider, your truth is what you believe, nothing more, nothing less. In regards to what I know to be true, I guess that's for me to know.
Rob-While I didn't know the Giants would be Super Bowl champs last season. I did know the Patriots would not be. I said it all season last year, with no one in agreement, yet, I was proved correct. Last season was me against the world, and I was right.
Cujo, confidence is not built. It is modeled. One either has it or does not. Your confidence may win you an arguement with your wife, but will do nothing more that earn a little respect here simply for your reply. Our coaching staff has no confidence, as you can hear in the tone of our coaches each time they do an interview. With a lack of confidence in this area of the organization, our team will fail each and every time. I could talk/debate the entire Raider coaching staff into the ground in 5 minutes with a piece of chalk and an audience of Al Davis.
If someone needed to win prior to having confidnce, how would anyone who never won, like Eli Manning, win the Super Bowl?
The only thing our young team is learning how to do is lose. Our staff doesn't even expect to win. You said no one expects a Super Bowl, that is precisely why we are where we are...I'll tell you who does expect a Super Bowl this season, AL DAVIS!
Are you all kidding me? We have as much talent as any team in the league. If you think Tom Brady is the most talented, think again. He just has an above average coach. That and some video tape!
If you don't know football, don't pretend to know. You, along with 99% of the NFL community is full of hot air and old terminology! Bill Walsh is gone, and his scheme died with him!
If I don't know what I'm talking about call me delusional, this is fine with me...fact of the matter is, if your opinion was worth the pixels you wasted in typing them, your HANDLE would be something more intimidating. If I came across CUJO, I'd kill him and eat him for dinner!
ps
Good talk fellas, way to use those ALIAS'S
try again!
#12
Posted by cujo, July 2, 2008 7:00 PM
First of all my handle has nothing to do with the dog.... second my guess is you were a high school football coach???? why didn't you ever move up if you can talk a NFL coaching staff into the ground..... you sound like that overbearing father who turns his child into a flamer that hates the world. all because he couldn't see past his own stuborness, You are right on a few fronts though, we do have as much talent as any team out there, however they have never seen success at this level and need to believe that they can actually achieve it. that is something that has to come from winning, our coach is in the same boat but I don't believe he is beaten down at all if he was he would have walked when all the in house shit happened, and cried back to college ball, where again you havent made it at all.........so he needs to have that feeling that he can put his young team in any situation and have complete faith in them.. which he could not do last year.
#17
Posted by MJ Kasprzak, July 2, 2008 8:54 PM
On each of your points:
1. I agree. I do not know why there would be derision about the Raiders D. Is losing Sapp gonna hurt the run D? No. I believe y'all added to the line, and even if you overpaid for that talent (and you did), it's going to pay SOME dividends. The Raiders MAY finish in the bottom half for run D, but only 'cause they'll play the Chargers and Chiefs twice and other teams may be trying to milk the clock at the end.
2. I agree, but conditionally. I agree with your original assessment that he was not the right pick. The Raiders had a deep backfield and Mac will not be the player in the NFL he was in college. He will not be a Pro Bowler in a standard offense, and Glenn Dorsey will be better. there are also some legitimate character questions that make him a LITTLE less of a sure thing. But Mac is going to give the Raiders a threat because of his speed, and he will be a good player even if not the fourth best from that draft. Plus, backs make the transition faster, so he may even be rookie of the year.
3. I totally agree, since you did not assert he will have a big year as much as that it will be exciting to watch him develop. He will have some great games. I still believe he was the best player available in that draft.
4. Okay, I cannot disagree, but I still believe that continuity was forced and Kiffin is working with Al looking over his shoulder, so I don't think the overall conditions the coaching staff has to work under are positive.
5. I think the Broncos are going to struggle because of Marshall's antics and questions at the running back position. I think the Chiefs will continue to struggle. I would be surprised if the Raiders do not go 3-3 in the division. I'm not sure where the rest of the games will be played, but I think they can win half of the following: Jets, Falcons, Bills, Dolphins, Ravens, Texans. That's 7-9 by my count.
Thus, this Packers fan who has been called a Raiders hater by one or two people responding to my comments to articles on this site, sees a decent season for y'all this year. Case closed.
#18
Posted by pat. T, July 2, 2008 9:13 PM
I disagree i do think Lane Kiffin thinks he can win with this team... Hell the players belive they can win... You can see it when guys are interviewed(Kirk Mossison on NFL Network looked estatic, when asked about the upcoming season)... And before anyone says anything about they do that because they have to or because its their job... or anyother form of B.S, let me just say this, as my example watch the interview of Warren Sapp last offseason also on NFL Network when asked about the upcoming season... He didn't look confident so he just avoided that conversation by praising individuals like Derrick Burgess, Thomas Howard, Kirk Morrison, JaMarcus Russell(size), etc... Then he started talking trash about Jon Gruden being fake and talking behind peoples backs, blah, blah, blah... But he avoided the topic about the team... And in his face you knew he wasn't to confident.... While i agree with Elkins on the confidence thing... The best QB's have a short term memory... Example-look at Peyton Manning vs. Bolts... This past season... I think he threw 5 INT's, but at the end of the game the Colts were still in the game... And if Adam Vinatieri doesn't miss a short field goal the Colts win the game... And i saw that from J.R last season vs. the Jags as well as against the Chargers, the only two teams he threw INT's against... First, while im fully aware we got CRUSHED BY THE Jags... When J.R came in the game he got smacked around... struggled trew 2 picks... But he still kept playing and still was able to throw a last minute Touchdown to Zach Miller... Even if the score was meaningless it showed us that the 60 million dollar man won't be rattled because of a HORRIBLE GAME(and by the way, the whole team played terrible)... Then the next game against the Chargers his first throw was an INT to a DE on a screen pass... But then he had a great game threw for over 200yds and a great Touchdown to Jerry Porter... Also showed that he had as much accuracy as arm stregnth... As well as poise... Only great QB's have poise like J.R has shown 'till now at least... And he also has great work ethic... And thats been proven by some of Patrick's & Rob's articles about the OTA's and simply the offseason... The one consitent thing i've heard(other than Lamont Jordan is still a Raider) is that J.R was working at the facility... Sure i've heard that he has stuggled with the long throw(surprisingly enough)... But that he's been working with the receivers... And always improving... whether its improving his footwork, or working on chemistry with receivers, its always something he's working on... He's also showed poise when asked about the STUPID rumors about him blowing up to 3+ bills... He just takes it as a joke, giggles about it and says its all rumors... I dont know about everyone else, but i think these are some pretty good things, that every QB needs...
GO RAIDERS!!!
#19
Posted by pdxjoe, July 2, 2008 11:00 PM
Hey Coach, were you abused as a child or something??
Every single time your in here it's just to stir shit or to disagree with Pat and Rob or whomever you zero in on that day.
It would be nice to see a more "positive" side of you. Negativity just breeds contempt.
#20
Posted by RaiderTillidie, July 2, 2008 11:17 PM
Man! u guys do alot of typing.... thts gud cuz i read all of ur guys comments even if i agree or disagree, but its alwas gud to stay updated on my team, and i dont leave alot cuz u guys preaty much say it all. sh!t i need to get on here early
GO RAIDERS!!!
#22
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#23
Posted by Coach Elkins, July 3, 2008 1:53 AM
Arew all you kiddies tucked into bed, ask yourself one question...Who's the real wolf?
#24
Posted by BlackSilverNJ, July 3, 2008 5:13 AM
I agree with most of what your wrote but I would add and change a few things; 1) Give Michael Bush a chance - this kid is the real deal. You pound the ball with him and then handoff or swing pass to McFadden and both these runners will feed off each other and get better - if the Raiders don't do anything stupid we will have a great pair of backs for years to come 2) Russell will get better but he will struggle this year, as you put it - this is his first year and if we expect him to be super we are just fooling ourselves 3) Kiffin is young - he will make mistakes at play calling, time management and overall leadership but give him a chance. 4) The Defense in one or two players away from being very dominant. After this season is over, most analyst will be talking about the team of the next decade - The Raiders. And as Gene Upshaw once said after winning the Super Bowl; we are just back what belongs to us!
#25
Posted by Zeke, July 3, 2008 7:37 AM
Ok fellas....well here is the nuts and bolts of it….who ever to blame….and who cares at this point…it took WAY too long to at least take a chance at a franchise QB….but he might be here now….I'm sick and tired of watchin some old vet that may win this year and the outlook for the future is "WTF are we gonna do next year at the QB position cause our guy is either already old or getting older!!!...I’m not jumping on the Hall of Fame Band Wagon like some others, but i will be realistic….Jmarcus will give the raiders a rocket arm that is not comparable to many…also he will add a physical presence in the pocket that the wind wont knock over….yes size has its disadvantages, but I dont see any fan not wanting a Reincannated Steve McNair or Dante Culpepper….Jmarc has the POTENTlAL to SURPASS them both physically and in success-championships….I didnt say will i said potential….anyone that says he cant do it or he's too big ect….is only saying ” I wish him bad luck because he’s not on MY team”…..This needs to be the game plan for 2008….Run the ball….Jmarc…scramble and take what the D gives you….if it fails let the best punter in the league get you field position…..Be patient…..get the ball in Mcfaddens hands as often as possible…..he will make the D pay sooner or later….Let the game come to you by playing smart and not forcing it….you have a potentially great defense and think that way UNTIL proven otherwise….Example (Rothisberger…Dilfer) Not nearly as talented as you but didn't hand the opposing D Xmas gifts…..Keep it simple…Raiders minimum 8-8 …..possibly better and the playoffs….Oh yea that is best case outcome for 2008….I forgot to give the worst case….We go 4-12 and the youngest team in the League get one more year experience under their belts and its uphill from there....END OF STORY!!
#26
Posted by pat. T, July 3, 2008 7:40 AM
NO ELKINS I ALREADY GOT OUT OF BED, BUT THANK YOU FOR ASKING... AND I'LL ANSWER IM THE REAL BIG BAD WOLF...
GO RAIDERS!!!
#27
Posted by OregonRaider, July 3, 2008 8:47 AM
Coach,
I have read nothing but positive out of the coaching staff of the Raiders this off season. Where are you seeing or reading different?
Pat,
I totally agree with you and have said it before on Russell. He is determined and confident even when crap happens. He doesn't seem to get rattled or show disappointment. Pride and Poise baby, PRIDE AND POISE!
Go Raiders
#28
Posted by OregonRaider, July 3, 2008 9:23 AM
Ok, I have been re-thinking the importance of the attitude of the coaching staff. We were "in" many games last year and then fell short in the 4th quater. How many games did we lose that were so dang close? What is the coaching staff doing to keep these guys heads in the game for ALL four quarters. What are they doing to make the players beleive they can win? There job is more than just teaching technique and getting them into shape.
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