August 3, 2008
Oakland Raiders training camp: Javon Walker not the only news coming out of Napa
Asomugha has been fantastic in camp
As reported earlier, Javon Walker became big news Saturday. When ESPN's Chris Mortensen broke the news about his attempted retirement, we decided to take a 'wait and see' approach to the news. Even though it's rare that Mortensen whiffs, when it comes to the Raiders ESPN has a way of turning into BS-spin.
So when Lane Kiffin confirmed the story, we were saddened to hear that the Raiders biggest free agent acquisition over the offseason had gotten the team in the news for yet another negative story. Don't get us wrong, we really do feel for the guy, but a bleeding heart doesn't win you football games. Besides, Walker isn't the only story coming out of Raider camp, and those stories are more positive if you're wearing black.
Javon, Javon, Javon!
So you want to know more about Javon? My partner in crime covered what there is to cover about it. To put it succinctly, Javon can't concentrate on football because of all of the turmoil in his heart and head so he thought about quitting and told Lane Kiffin about it. Kiffin decided to call in the boss, no not Springsteen, to cover his behind. That's when Al Davis took it upon himself to have a talk with the troubled man, and convince him to stay. Hmmm, that about sums it up.
So now that we have gotten that out of the way, let's talk about receivers that aren't thinking about quitting retiring. Marcel Reece is officially no longer a receiver, tight end, or fullback. It's looking as if he'll be an H-Back, which is a combo position between the three. Think Chris Cooley in silver and black. Kiffin is high on the guy though because it's a special position created just for Reece. Kiffin was quoted as saying:
"He’s going to be there for now, we moved him a little bit around and stuff because he does bring a lot to us and he’s a guy that, you know may have a future with us because he can do so many things."
I found something very telling about the Raiders passing game in a camp review done by Jerry McDonald and I wanted to share it with you:
"One sideline observer with NFL experience was unimpressed with the Raiders passing game, particularly with the amount of balls hitting the ground in seven-on-seven drills. Exceptional passing teams can go entire sessions without an incomplete pass, given that the quarterback is not rushed and has time to wait for receivers to come free.It’s worth noting, however, that there were sessions even worse last year with Josh McCown, Walter and Daunte Culpepper and the season before with Aaron Brooks and Walter."
My first question to Jerry would be, who is this observer? Not that I doubt the validity of his point, just curious as to who the Raiders are letting watch their practices. The important thing about this comment is that it's a double edged sword.
On one side, you've got the point that the Raiders receivers/quarterbacks need to improve much more in order for them to become the passing team that we have all envisioned they should be. The other side of the coin says they are already better than they've been the past two seasons.
In a post I put up yesterday, Kiffin said, "A number of guys on the staff had him extremely high on their list," about Todd Watkins. Couple that with another quote from McDonald, "One veteran player admitted he was surprised at how ineffective and ordinary Walker has looked since camp started and said he hoped he was simply the kind of player who showed up 'when the lights go on.'" Have you put two and two together yet?
Could it be that Watkins, Carter, and Curry are all ahead of Walker on those lists? Boy, I'd sure like to know, but considering that the lists were made, the 49ers are coming to town, and the first preseason game is next Friday, along with comments that we've been getting about Walker, and you have the makings of an embarrassed franchise receiver thinking about retiring quitting.
So what about Arman Shields and Chaz Schilens? Shields has been out due to knee soreness. You might recall that he's coming off of knee surgery last year. Chaz Schilens has made reports for drops and mistakes made during drills, but he's also been making some good plays too. He seems to be target the Raiders QB's have found in the red zone.
Chris McFoy, Jonathan Holland, and Johnnie Lee Higgins have been mentioned at times, with Holland seeming to have the upper hand due to the fact that he's also practicing his return skills too.
INJURIES - They only concern us when they happen to a starter
Isn't that always the case though? When a backup is lost for the season, do any of us think twice about it? Would any of you be worried if John Bowie were lost for the season? Maybe, if he was having the type of camp that gave us hope he'd be an important contributor. The Raiders have already lost one guy for the season, but of course he wasn't one of the front line guys. Mark Wilson's broken leg might not be a cause for concern, but there are a few hobbling Raiders that worry me.
How about starting with the interior defensive line? Terdell Sands has already had to drain his knee once, and even though he returned for a practice, he had to take off the next with ice wrapped that troubling leg. A player with past knee problems is not a big deal until they are draining it often.
As far as we know, this hasn't been the case with Sands. If Sands is draining this knee throughout camp, Raider Nation had better hope that William Joseph and Gerrard Warren are on the verge of great seasons. Two guys for only one? No, not exactly. Another big free agent signing is a cause for a little concern as well.
Tommy Kelly is, by all accounts healthy, but he's out of shape and still only taking part in one practice during two a days. Kiffin & Co. put the team through a rigorous training session that simulates game exertion. Kiffin explained it this way:
"It’s called a long drive period, so I didn’t let the coaches pull the guys out. They had to stay in there for 10 plays, as you saw, we tried to push the tempo as fast as we could. We were getting plays off in 35 seconds, so it was realistic game situations and that usually doesn’t happen in practice...All these guys played 10 plays in a row so they could come out and say, `Boy, I’m a long ways away, or, `I’m right there.’ I think guys got a real good feeling for where they’re at, and for how far some guys have to go. As far as Tommy, it is a concern. He’s one of the main reasons that we’re doing that drill today."
Did you see it? It is certainly a lot said about a drill so it's easy to miss the important part of it. Tommy Kelly is NOT in game shape right now and Kiffin is concerned about it. When your health is on the line, you can't be tired because that could be the difference between making a play and getting injured, or in Kelly's case re-injured.
We won't jump overboard or anything, but when the head coach is concerned about the health and conditioning of one starter at defensive tackle and the other is icing and draining his knee that's more than a little scary. Add that to the fact that the Raiders had one of the worst run defenses last year and you start getting into murky waters. Let's just hope that this is normal training camp stuff and in a month there's nothing to worry about.
Remember the backups? William Joseph and Gerard Warren? Warren sat out the last practice with a thigh injury, nobody's waving any flags so he's probably just got a strain. William Joseph is starting to dominate in practice, and that is the best news on the interior line right now. Kiffin made sure to point out, "He hasn't played a lot of football since he's been in the league," due to injury.
Other players injured or been dealing with injuries have been John Bowie (knee), Grant Irons (hammy), and Greg Wesley (back). Jake Grove (knee), Javon Walker (knee), and Tommy Kelly (knee) have been sitting some practices out as a precaution.
What's going on with the offensive line?
Three positions look to be solid so that's 60% of it that is looking anywhere from good to great. When it comes to the offensive line, if you haven't heard about them, then they're either doing a good or decent job. They may not be world beaters, but they also aren't letting anyone else look like world beaters against them. Robert Gallery (LG), Jake Grove (C), and Cooper Carlisle (RG) are locks to start unless anything unforeseen happens along the way.
Grove has gotten pretty decent reviews. First, since he's coming off of knee surgery, he stayed in Oakland and bulked up his upper body. From all reports, he's about 15 lbs stronger. That's not an exact number, just an estimate, but besides needing to get his conditioning in line and his knee healthy, the Raiders are very optimistic that he's going to be what they thought he would when he was drafted.
Chris Morris has played well also, leaving John Wade in a precarious position. Wade was brought in to be the starter, if he doesn't start, there isn't much need for a guy that only plays center. Morris plays all along the line. They've tried him at guard, center and tackle once or twice. He's an athletic guy who's stats (6'4" 305 lbs) are nearly exactly that of Grove's (6'4" 300 lbs). If Wade doesn't separate himself from the other two, in a positive way, the Raiders might opt to start the season without him.
We probably shouldn't forget Jesse Boone either. He's got a mean streak in him and the coaches like him because he's difficult to get by and has a nasty disposition. Boone also plays center and whether or not he can play guard sufficiently enough to be like Morris is only known to the coaches. He makes less than Wade, so he has a leg up in that area.
Gallery is definitely enjoying the continuity this year. You'll remember that he has worked under 5 offensive line coaches prior to Cable joining the club. About training camp, Gallery stated, "Training camp is good. We’re getting a lot of work done, trying to button up the things we need to improve upon and just taking it deeper into the system."
You'd almost expect to hear that from him since he hasn't been a target of criticism during camp. The tackles, on the other hand, have been. Mario Henderson has been the biggest disappointment outside of Javon Walker thus far. Kiffin didn't hesitate, when asked how Henderson was doing to push Cornell Green by saying, "Mario is not improving the way we'd like him to, so we'll just continue to push him. But it's not close right now."
Green has been, well, average at best. Many in the media and Raider Nation are only waiting for Paul McQuistan to get some work there. The only problem with that is that McQuistan has been doing his best Barry Sims impersonations by jumping before the snap.
The biggest question remains Kwame Harris. You can't talk about the line without somebody, usually a hater (but many in the Nation too), telling you how bad this man is at playing tackle. When asked about his switch back to the left tackle spot, where he played at Stanford, Harris smiled and said, "The challenge has been exciting. It’s been fun getting out there everyday, getting better at it, working at it, devoting my skills and technique at it."
According to Tom Cable, Harris is doing well. Cable was quoted as saying, "He's doing good. He fits into our system and he's growing in terms of confidence every day." If Cable says he's doing well, then maybe he is. Harris is still working on getting his confidence back though and he knows that there are plenty of critics and doubters out there when it comes to his abilities. This is what he said about it:
"Of course, you try not to care, but it's inevitable, right? It affects you, affects your head a little bit regardless of all the interview training you go through and the public-relations training you go through. It's not easy. I think even the people who respond with bluster...'I'm not talking to you guys anymore.' I think that's just a defense mechanism. What I've been doing as I get more and more adult is try to use it as a motivation tactic, just internalize it and let it out when I can, on the field, typically. I recycle it, like if that's how you feel, let me show you what the reality is. I heard a lot of that at the 49ers because we weren't doing very well. It just multiplies when you're in a situation like that, the negativity. It wasn't easy at the 49ers...was especially difficult there."
Even though reports haven't been exemplary for the offensive line, Cable assures us that everything is working as expected when he says, "You come out every day and work hard, do some more work and then wake up the next day and do even more work. We’re getting everything done and installed that we need to, so I think we’re right on schedule."
Gallery agrees, "Coach Cable does a good job of getting everybody to work together. We’ll be fine. We just need to button some things up and we’ll have a good year." We'd like to take his word for it, but we're going to wait and see.
Nickle and diming the offense
Nnamdi Asomugha has become a bad example for young Raiders. He, along with another bad example, Derrick Burgess, has been exceptional during camp. He's making so many plays that it's like there are two of him. When your coach tells the press, "He’s made so many plays, more than anybody else, maybe everybody else combined in the passing game," you are definitely doing something right.
So what's the bad example? Asomugha and Burgess both missed all or most of the voluntary workouts. They may be the only two guys on the team that could do that and still come to camp kicking tail the way that they have.
DeAngelo Hall has done well despite being the victim of being on the losing side of some gambles, but according to reports, he's going to make it very difficult for opposing quarterbacks when they go away from Asomugha. When asked about what other teams might do against his defense, Kiffin said, "Pick your poison...I don't know what they'll do..."
The Raiders will have an extra defensive back come in for the nickle and dime formations, but the dime will be short one defensive back. Stanford Routt has not been named as a victim in very many reports. He's doing well in camp, well enough not to be mentioned in the mistake wrap-ups. He's going to be in both the nickle and the dime formations.
Thomas Howard, the weak side linebacker, is going to stay in for the dime formation. Normally, only one linebacker stays in, but Howard and Morrison will be staying in with Morrison playing the linebacker role and Howard playing the dime position. This is partially due to the fact that no other corner has established himself and the fact that Howard runs 4.3 or 4.4 40-yard dash depending on who you talk to.
Other than the top three at corner, there really isn't anyone else. John Bowie isn't the answer and he's injured, Waddell might not make it past the first cut, then there's Darrick Brown, Rashad Baker, and Chris Johnson. None of the latter have distinguished themselves yet, but that could change after this week when they get a chance in game situations.
The Safeties have brought the lumber. At least Gibril Wilson and Jarrod Cooper have. Cooper has also brought his competitive edge as well. He was quoted earlier in camp saying, "Have you made a catch today rook?" He was talking to Arman Shields, who at that point hadn't and it was the night practice of a two a day.
Michael Huff is beginning to be what everyone thought he was when Al Davis Art Shell drafted him. Alright, I don't buy it either, but it is kind of funny to bring up now and then. For those of you that don't remember or know, Al Davis blamed Art Shell for drafting Huff instead of Matt Leinart. It's pretty hard to fathom that Al wasn't the impetus for that pick, especially with all of the defensive backs he's drafted in the top two rounds over the last 10 years.
Tyvon Branch is lost in the secondary, but he's returning kicks, which was a big reason he was drafted. Wesley is on his way to being cut like Donavan Darius was last year because he can't stay healthy and when he isn't hurting, he's just average on the field.
That's offensive!
The offense has been doing well when running and sub-par to average when passing. JaMarcus Russell is still learning, but shows signs of greatness with some long balls and quick decisions. Walter has been the star at quarterback so far. It's good to see that he's come to terms with needing a Jim Plunket opportunity before being able to show the rest of the league how good he can be.
Marques Tuiasosopo has also done well and brings another dimension to the offense when he's in. He's the fastest of the three quarterbacks and he likes to run if he has to. Even though he has the wheels, his decision making and passing has not been good enough to look better than Walter.
Darren McFadden is BETTER than advertised. BETTER? Yep, even better. Kiffin can't stop saying good things about him and even the people who doubted the pick are saying things like,
"There’s a good chance the three teams that passed on McFadden are going to be sorry they did. I was skeptical when Lane Kiffin said the Raiders would have traded up to get him. Now I believe it." - Jerry McDonald"McFadden's speed might end that stretch of games without a kickoff (or a punt) for a touchdown." - Jason Jones
"His high football aptitude has allowed the coaches to start tinkering with his role." - Albert Breer: TSN
"McFadden shows up all over the practice field every day. One play he is bursting through the line, into the secondary and outracing an overmatched defensive back. Another time he is swinging out wide, hauling in a pass, blowing past a linebacker and sprinting down the sideline." - Steve Corkran: Contra Costa Times
Justin Fargas is doing well also, just not getting the raves that McFadden is getting. Look for him to share the field with the rookie like McFadden once did with Felix Jones at Arkansas. Michael Bush is doing well, but it's going to take some time for him to really start showing. Remember that Bush hasn't played in two years. So far he's doing well and he definitely can't wait to play in a game.
"I just wanted some contact. I'm still waiting for the game so I can strap it on and have some fun against guys other than my teammates."
Let's get it on!
The Raiders will practice against another team on Monday, the hated 49ers. There will be plenty of hate in the air this week around the Bay. Raider Nation will need to step up this week and give as good as they get. I'm not talking about violent episodes of slamming some dude with a piece of Brie in his mouth and a wine glass in his hand. I'm just saying not to be afraid to talk a little smack right back. Besides the Raiders winning this coming Friday, that will be the most fun this week. Here are a few things to talk about:
- Owners - They might talk about Al being senile, but you can talk about their owner not being able to distinguish a football from a baseball.
- Quarterbacks - Yes, JaMarcus is young, but at least he's not a bust like Mr. Smith from across the bay.
- Wins - the last time I checked, the 49ers won [EDITED THANKS TO MikeR8R] virtually the same amount last year. If they bring up the 19-61 or a variation of it, ask which team was the last to make the playoffs between the two and the Super Bowl.
- 5 Rings - Tuck Rule, Immaculate Reception, Rob Lyttle Fumble...maybe that's too much history for a Niner fan, just ask again when the last time the Niners had a winning record.
Those are just a few things that might come up. If you're not up for this game, either because it's the first or because it's the Niners, then I have a little something for you to check out. If this doesn't get you pumped, you're probably not a Raider fan.
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There's a little Raider in all of us
The Raiders are doing a cool little photo shopping online. It's a chance to give your photo's a little touch up the Raider way. It's called the Raider Creator and it takes a little practice, but you can get some pretty good results. Did any of you know that Alfred E. Neumann was a Raider? I guess you'd have to be a little Mad not to be. Don't believe me? Here's proof:
See?
Just creating Raiders here at TFDS
Discussion
41 Comments on "Oakland Raiders training camp: Javon Walker not the only news coming out of Napa"
#1
Posted by Jamaal, August 4, 2008 12:16 AM
Love the Video and Brandon Marshall is being suspended 3 games not that it mattered cuz Aso would Lock him down anyway. But all in all Great Day to be a Raider. P.S. it would be receiving alot more coverage if he were a raider but since half the Damn ESPN NFL analysts are Denver Broncos they will sweep it under the Rug. Raider Out
#2
Posted by Umer Waris, August 4, 2008 12:37 AM
Pat,
Loved those reponses for Niner Fans, man! So true, so true!
Man, I am very pleased to hear about the good news thus far in camp. The line has got to step up in protection. Maybe thats why that observer was seeing so many incomplete passes. Even if the running game doesnt improve from last year but the protection gets better, the offense will rank higher than 25th in the league (295 yds per game).
#3
Posted by Thoughts from the Dark Side: Oakland Raiders training camp: Javon Walker not the only news coming ou, August 4, 2008 12:38 AM
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#4
Posted by azraider37, August 4, 2008 12:47 AM
Kiffin has the enormous task of turning around a struggling (to the the least) football team. There are plenty of young guys and question marks to deal with. If Walker can't get his sh*t together enough to play football then he should retire. Do we need him? Abolutely! But only if he's gonna be really good. It's not looking promising. All he's done is show up way outta shape, play uninspired, and cause tons of drama with poor decision making and now a poor me attitude. We are paying this guy waaaaaay to much money for Kiffin to have to babysit him.
This guy coach elkins has his opinion on what a coach needs to be. Well, I have mine on what a player needs to be. Especially one lucky enough to play in the NFL. And even better than that, a guy making more money than almost everyone on the team. Probably about 6 times more than Kiffin per year. If this dude is only gonna be a distraction I say let him quit so we can get our money back. Do it soon so we can explore other options before training camp gets too far along.
#6
Posted by Rob Calonge, August 4, 2008 12:54 AM
Al's Wingman - That was a quote from someone else who didn't divulge who it was. It's properly credited as well. Never said I was there for the quote, but thanks for stopping by to let me know I should quit writing for TFDS.
#7
Posted by Coach Elkins, August 4, 2008 2:09 AM
From the WEBSTER's dictionary:
Definition 2:
:[from the concept that the tutor conveys the student through examinations] a: a private tutor b: one who instructs or trains; especially : one who instructs players in the fundamentals of a competitive sport and directs team strategy.
Once again, our "so-called" Head Coach fails miserablely at yet another in a long line of opportunities to earn respect from his team.
Coach Kiffin, in all his wisdom, failed to be the support his new WR needed off the field, in order that Javon could perform on the field. Lane Kiffin has no idea what coaching football is about, and this example is just another in a string of many circumstances proving my point.
Excuse me Lane, but did Javon enter your office first and basically tell you what his concerns were? More over, what did you do? You passed him onto Mr. Davis, thereby proving your inability to deal with situations which are precisely in your job desciption.
Mr. Kiffin, do you think coaching football is simply showing up for meetings, talking to the press, blowing a whistle, and calling plays on Sunday? If so, I would be remiss in reminding you that it is much much more, especially if one has any hopes at being successful at the endevor.
If you want your players to play for you:
1.) You have to play for them. That means listening to them if they have problems. Not sending them to your owner. I'm quite sure Mr. Davis has enough to do without you sending him a situation that is in your job desricption. After all, if he wanted Mr. Davis's opinion, I think he would have asked for it. The fact of the matter is, if you were the coach you should be, you would have realized when the Raiders signed Javon that he was a player who may need a coach to listen to what he might have to say, and maybe, I don't know, have some advice to give....
2. Take responsibility for your team. That means everything is your fault, even when it's not. Thats how leaders are made. Too bad "YOU" know nothing about this simple fact. Conversely, you showed an extreme lack of maturity by even discussing any sort of discussion you had with your player to the press in any fashion whatsoever. You should be keeping your mouth shut regarding any off-the-field issues and thereby making any sort of situation worse. Are you that ignorant? Please refer to the definition above and understand that some issues should remain "PRIVATE", and that you are the tutor, not your BOSS!
3.) Earn their trust through actions, not words. You have had many many opportunities to build this team through the downfalls since you were hired. You have shown no ACTION whereby you have stood by your team. Your interviews are always, you saying all the right things, and yet, displaying all of the wrong results.
APB --On a positive Note:--
You did orchestrate a small moment of genius when asked regarding a certain Offensive Lineman and his lack of production. You were honest for once, took a stand, and were critical of a player who you felt was not performing up to par. The player has responded, and is reported to be playing better. The player even publically stated you were correct apparently. Amazing what happens when you use your instincts, and not worry about what the world thinks.
All these ideas being stated however....Kiffin, as I have said before and will say until I take your job...good luck. The world has changed, and once I get into your position of illusionary power I will never point the finger at anyone but myself. You want your players to compete everyday to get better? Well, guess what PAL? I'm here trying to do the same thing for you....and guess what? I'm doing it for FREE. If competition brings out the best in us all, then consider this a FAVOR!
The "REAL" Coach
#8
Posted by Coach Elkins, August 4, 2008 2:15 AM
For those of you who have a negative reply, I have a pre-arranged responsed.
I am "SITTING" in the smallest room in my house with your thoughts of criticism before me.....soon, they will be behind me.
Oh yeah, in case the uneducated minds need to know.....the Definition of the afore bulliten was for the term :COACH
Here's to thinking with the END in MIND.
#9
Posted by El Magico, August 4, 2008 4:31 AM
Great rundown of the training camp news (I already read all the referenced articles) but enjoyed the insight! I don't normally comment and really don't want to get into a pissing match with the "coach e". However, I think as a nation we just need to support our team and hope for the best, potentially causing dissent among the fans by criticizing our coach is bad for biz and could hurt the team on game day. I believe Coach Kiffen is doing a great job thus far, particularly by bringing some life/hope back to the team. Also, "coach e" you have to see things from Kif's perspective he has to manage risk in these situations, I don't see it so much as he "passed" it over to Mr. Davis but having your #1 receiver considering retirement is an issue that needs to be elevated to your GM ASAP whatever the outcome.
I feel the Nation breathin... its the dawn of a new era!
Go RRRAIDERS!!
#10
Posted by UK Raider, August 4, 2008 8:19 AM
100% in agreement with you Mag. Kiffen looks level headed enough from his interviews to deal with this. Far more so than my own personal take. He's got my backing. Difficult to see how else he can deal with Walkers erratic behaviour. I'm sure both he and AD have somebody backroom with the appropriate medical / psychological qualifications looking in.
#11
Posted by Raiderchris56, August 4, 2008 9:37 AM
Very extensive and inclusive article. Yet again great analysis. On to 'coach e', maybe Kiffen didn't want this guy on his team from day one. Maybe he was hoping that money hawk Al would listen to his reports that Walker wasn't performing up to expectations and take the money back. Your hindsight is blinding in self absorbed opinion on the issue. I thought Kiffen handled it well, since I don't know all of the facts. This is Professional Football, not high school. These guys are extremely well paid to PLAY.
#12
Posted by LDizzle, August 4, 2008 9:52 AM
Come on Magico, UKRaider, and Raiderchris you should at least be able to spell KIFFIN right if you want to be taken seriously.
Spell it with me K-I-F-F-I-N.
#13
Posted by Al's Wingman, August 4, 2008 10:06 AM
If you don't know who the sideline observer with NFL experience is then you shouldn't be blathering about the Raiders.
#14
Posted by LDizzle, August 4, 2008 10:34 AM
Actually that was Earl from "my name is Earl" on the cover of Mad.
That was a pretty cool video though. I always love seeing that one handed INT by Asomugha. Unfortunately most of the other plays were by guys that are no longer on this team (ie Warren Sapp, Chris Carr, Dominic Rhodes, and LaMont Jordan). And no I am not including Bo Jackson in that. He will always be a Raider.
#15
Posted by El Magico, August 4, 2008 1:40 PM
HAHA damn dizzle you got me man... maybe I messed up because he doesn't have a jersey (and don't patronize me you f**kin prick). Nevertheless KIFFIN has my support and I hope he continues to be our coach. My personal take is that the lack of continuity in the coaching staff over the years has a lot to do with our recent woes.
#16
Posted by Rada4life, August 4, 2008 1:43 PM
Coach E,If you knew as much you think you do,i guess that YOU would get paid and WOULD be a Coach in the NFL.Until then,Shut your trap and look for a job with one of the other AFC West teams so Kiffen and my beloved Raiders can kick your ass.Maybe then you will shut your mouth.I seriously doubt you can because your cockiness seems to be a downfall."REAL" Coach my a$$! Rob,Keep up the good work!
#17
Posted by Mike49er, August 4, 2008 4:15 PM
Eggo, Eggo,...Eggo...that was weak.
Quote from Bobbo:
The Raiders will practice against another team on Monday, the hated 49ers. There will be plenty of hate in the air this week around the Bay. Raider Nation will need to step up this week and give as good as they get.
Mike49er: You have new posters?? Cool. Can't wait. That "white flag waving, I have no clue, huh, what? You talkin' to me?" group of "Duh, I's got's a cool t-shirt" crowd is basically like slapping around the slow kid on the corner.
When do you expect these new posters?
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I’m not talking about violent episodes of slamming some dude with a piece of Brie in his mouth and a wine glass in his hand. I’m just saying not to be afraid to talk a little smack right back. Besides the Raiders winning this coming Friday, that will be the most fun this week. Here are a few things to talk about:
* Owners - They might talk about Al being senile, but you can talk about their owner not being able to distinguish a football from a baseball.
Mike49er: You know they won't..you know YOU won't, lol. That ship sailed, and those few remaining "Hanging on Al's sac" posters were pretty much reduced to "Well..uh...well....YA'S DUDE, YOU'S WONT SAY DAT TO MY FACE"..
In other words, they were toast. :)
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* Quarterbacks - Yes, JaMarcus is young, but at least he’s not a bust like Mr. Smith from across the bay.
Mike49er: I don't think they will. and I know YOU won't. :)
Hey..here's a question for ya...how's it feel knowing our 3rd string QB is better than your starter?
Food for thought.
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* Wins - the last time I checked, the 49ers won the same amount last year. If they bring up the 19-61 or a variation of it, ask which team was the last to make the playoffs between the two and the Super Bowl.
Mike49er: Ahhhh....got it...now I remember why you "dis-engage", lol...No, we DIDN'T win the same as the Raiders did last year..we won more.
You didn't know that? And you call yourself a Raider fan?
As far as "last to make the playoffs between the two"????
LMFAO...we BOTH DID, IN '02.
Difference is since then the Raiders have been the worst team in the NFL. Oh..that's right. You knew that. :)
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* 5 Rings - Tuck Rule, Immaculate Reception, Rob Lyttle Fumble…maybe that’s too much history for a Niner fan, just ask again when the last time the Niners had a winning record.
Mike49er: Uh....Eggo???
You're encouraging others to say 'The Niners might own our ass as far as history goes, but boy oh boy do we have excuses why we lost????
In other words, you're whining? And you want others to whine?
Whew...what a scary concept just thinking about dealing with the above *rolling eyes*.
Yeah..you got me there, Bobbo, lol...just quivering in my boots.
Here's what you SHOULD be addressing:
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"WHY DID WE EVER DOUBT MIKE49ER???
He stated it was a huge waste of money on Kelly, especially with his gimpy knees. Now he's overweight, and a walking blob who's gassed after a couple of plays.
He also stated it was stupid, beyond belief, to toss all that money at Walker..vastly overpaying a guy who has yet another gimpy knee...HE WAS RIGHT.
And damn, he also stated that kwame was a total bust. "Turnstyle Harris"...had back to back to back false starts in a game...that he has holding penalty after holding penalty because he gets beat like a drum...WHY OH WHY DIDN'T WE LISTEN???
Some of us ran the "Cable will turn him into a probowl player." Little did we know.
Mike also kept asking 'Who's your BACKUP QB?" We didn't answer. How could we? What were we to say? "Walter!" or "Tui!"???
Mike stated "You're 31st against the run defense GOT WORSE."...we didn't want to believe him. We so wanted to sip the Kool Aid, and proclaim all is well. After all, it's STILL THE OFFSEASON, AND BY LAW WE DON'T HAVE TO FACE REALITY UNTIL TRAINING CAMP GETS HERE..and nor shall we...except..that it's here.
In all of it's "exposed" un-glory...woe is us, it's here."
" I hate it when Mike49er is right all the time...I truly...truly...hate it."
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Well, all I know is I hope I can survive all of those scathing "history lessons" that are about to come....yep....shaking in my boots, lol.
#18
Posted by Coach Elkins, August 4, 2008 4:22 PM
One day Buddha was walking through a village. A very angry and rude young man came up and began insulting him. "You have no right teaching others," he shouted. "You are as stupid as everyone else. You are nothing but a fake." Buddha was not upset by these insults. Instead he asked the young man "Tell me, if you buy a gift for someone, and that person does not take it, to whom does the gift belong?"
#19
Posted by MrMojo4321, August 4, 2008 6:41 PM
Great article Rob, keep blathering, prattling, and or informing depending on perception. On a completely different subject, I was wondering who is the preeminent authority on football? First naturally I went with the logical choice, Noah Webster. What wouldn't a 150 year old corpse know about football? Then of course, the next all knowing guru of football knowledge has got to be, Buddha. Because on 3rd and goal, you want the pacifist unit out there. Non-violent resistance is how things get done in the NFL. Lane Kiffin is a head coach. Among the many things he is not include nanny, psychologist, psychiatrist, parent (does lane have kids?), social worker, or babysitter. Javon Walker is a grown man; he should act like one, if not be one. The fact that Mr. Walker can't just get by on pure talent alone means that he will have to work for success. How does Walker respond to adversity? He pouts like a little girl and wants to quit. El Magico astutely points out that maybe Kiffin doesn't want Walker around anyway. Maybe he saw a very pragmatic solution in bringing in Mr. Davis. Lane can't cut Walker not with all of Al's money at stake, so he passes the situation to the one man who can make the call. Another fact thats being glossed over here is that Lane advised Javon to discuss retirement with those close to him.Anyone thats watched FARVENews or the Farve Network or read Farve Illustrated knows a coach can't control whether a player retires or not. Since its became vogue to use someone else's words to express yourself on here I dug up this little gem: Football is like life - it requires perseverance, self-denial, hard work, sacrifice, dedication and respect for authority. Vince Lombardi, then again what would he know?
One Nation...
#20
Posted by Rada4life, August 4, 2008 7:56 PM
Watching Lane Kiffin talk to his entire team prior to a "move-the-ball" drill during the second session of practice. The team had been a little sloppy during the early portion of the practice, and Kiffin immediately assembled his guys to encourage them to pick up the tempo of the drill. Though the discussion didn't last longer than two minutes, it was apparent by the way the team responded with more energy and better focus, that Kiffin still has the ear of his troops. Given all of the speculation that surrounded the young coach during the offseason, it was impressive to see his team respond positively to his leadership, and is a telling sign that things may be on the rise in Oakland.
#21
Posted by Superbowl again, August 4, 2008 8:07 PM
Fantastic piece.
Also, think how great it is to have Jamarcus practice against Nnamdi and Meagelo. The kid's gonna have to be sharp to get through practice.
#22
Posted by Raider Blues, August 4, 2008 8:47 PM
Coach Elkins...
Are you comparing yourself to a fat guy representing some false religion?
Again you make good points but who calls themself COACH in this forum?
Sweet!
#23
Posted by LDizzle, August 4, 2008 8:48 PM
Wow Mikewhiner leads a useless existence. He writes these novel long comments and no one cares what he has to say. And some (like myself) never read his comments anyway regardless of length. Depraved of attention his whole life, he just wishes someone would listen. And to think this comment I am writing is the most anyone will ever care about him. Poor witto guy.
#24
Posted by Rob Calonge, August 4, 2008 9:17 PM
Mike 49er - Where have you been? I've been here all along, but without your insightful, misdirected diatribes. You are right about one thing, I mis-wrote when I stated that the Raiders and Niners had the same record. Sometimes when writing a novel like I did, you can make a mistake. You should've seen the post right after I wrote it, I didn't get the video on there right! Can YOU believe it?
First of all, you say my post was weak? Your response was pretty weak buddy. Maybe you need to keep coming back because you are completely out of practice. Just to think, you were getting pretty good before you disappeared.
BTW - Your 3rd string quarterback is better than YOUR starter, not ours. Secondly, Andrew Walter is having a fabulous camp and would do a better job than any of the QB's on the Niner's roster. I guess you want so bad for the Raiders to look as stupid as the 49ers do now for drafting Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers, you'll completely go out of your way to bash our virtual rookie. Hmmm, virtual, I like that. Go check out my mistake when you get a chance.
LDizzle - don't feel bad, I just responded to his stuff too. ;-)
Gotta' go, I've got to correct this post and then start another. Get some practice in MikeR8R and then come back with your smack. See, I was right about all of the hate in the air wasn't I? :-)
#25
Posted by Bill, August 4, 2008 9:43 PM
One of the best offseason articles I've seen. Thanks Rob! The reason Mikewhiner has been scarce around here is because he's scared of Kushman. Hey Coach E, where do you coach? From the way you talk Its got to be in NE coaching for the Pats. Is your real name Bill B? Seriously dude take your pills.
#26
Posted by Coach Elkins, August 4, 2008 11:05 PM
Mr Mojo...
Excellent post. While I do not agree with all of your opinions they were well written and of a respectful nature.
That being said, I am an authority on football. The fact that you know nothing about me says little in any defense at the latter. If this forum topic was directed at X's and O's then maybe we could have some fun, however, X's and O's are only a small part of being a quality football coach. I am the best coach I know. I do not work for NE as someone humorously suggested. By directing energy towards Coach Kiffin I am supporting the best possible way I know.
Everyone assumes that Kiffin, in the start of his second season can only improve. I have seen nothing in the form of his character to prove that this will be the case. Does he want to win? Sure he does. Everybody does. The real question becomes: Does he know how to win? The answer, sadly, is NO.
I am sorry to have to be the voice of reason and squash all this positive energy in pre-season mode, but I happen to know what I'm talking about.
The blog responses will lay credibility to my opinion as the season progresses. You will all know who I am soon enough.
I am not asking for any of you to agree with me, I am beyond caring whether or not you agree. My ego intention has nothing to do with whether or not I win a contention in some internet blog debate. I seek your energy, because it feeds the knowing in my mind that all roads lead to the Super Bowl. Sadly, these are 2 words coach Kiffin has never bothered to mention.
I have simple request for the Oakland Sports writers: ask Coach Kiffin this question.
Coach, do you feel this Raider team can win the Super Bowl? His response (tone & body language) will tell you everything you need to know.
#27
Posted by Mike49er, August 5, 2008 12:02 AM
# Rob Calonge says:
August 4th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Mike 49er - Where have you been?
Mike49er: To be honest, Eggo, the info here has exactly been ground shaking or even approaching revelation stage.
Read: BORING.
I mean, honestly, besides agreeing with YOU/ME that I was right regarding Walker, Kelly, and Harris??? I mean, even you knew that, right? lol...how could you not?
==============================
I’ve been here all along, but without your insightful, misdirected diatribes.
Mike49er: In other words you subscribe to the "Babble incoherently knowing the masses knows no better" mode of posting? Yeah...I know.
You are right about one thing, I mis-wrote when I stated that the Raiders and Niners had the same record.
Mike49er: I know. I never post anything that isn't a fact, or correct in the eyes of those in the "know".
I'm cursed that way.
#28
Posted by MrMojo4321, August 5, 2008 12:37 AM
Coach Elkins,
Your absolutely right, I don't know you. At least statistically, theres an excellent chance I don't know you. However there is an Elkins pretty close by; you could be the reincarnated spirit (keeping with the Eastern theme) of Bear Bloody Bryant for all I know. Also keeping with the same reasoning, theres an excellent chance you don't know Lane Kiffin. For that matter, you probably don't know me or anyone that posts on this site. I'm not going to claim to be a football authority. It was last year, I finally figured where the hell a three gap is, but here are some things I do know: the Raiders were actually watchable last year, as a fan I wasn't dreading getting the ball. If magically, the Art Shell team could play Lane's team from a year ago does anyone think Art's team wins? I don't think this imaginary game would even be close. Lane Kiffin also had the marbles to tell Mr. Davis to stick it. Coach Kiffin did this while still employed. It takes guts to tell your boss to fire you, let alone someone in Lane's situation. Another Lombardi, Michael doesn't even have the guts to do it after being fired. The former personnel man chooses to use euphemisms like Hotel California and the uber specific term: someone. In summation, Lane told the man himself fire me and give me the 2 million or 4 million or however much that clause entailed, or let me do my job. I doubt something like that is lost on the players. Coach Kiffin also has the incredibly endearing quality of being candid. He tells the press and thereby us, the truth. Lane actually treats the public fan/hater base like adults. Lane also has the ability to adapt, week 2 get beat by Shanahan's time out, by week 3 he had already turned that loss into literally something positive with a win over the Browns using the same tactic. The fact that Lane doesn't exude the air of invincibility or omniscience means, he's trying to get better, among other things. The man that is open to learning is infinitely more likely to. To say things like Super Bowl or that he doesn't know how to win seem counter productive at best. I think the stat is that the Raiders lost 7 games that they were winning going into the fourth quarter. You can look at it as a lack of knowledge of winning, or you can be less esoteric and look at the lack of depth. The Raiders if nothing else should be deeper this year. Hey I'm with ya Elkins on at least one other thing, all I want is the 32nd pick next year, and I don't want to trade for it.
One Nation...
#29
Posted by Coach Elkins, August 5, 2008 4:03 AM
Again, excellent post. I fear that if you and I ran against one another politically I would be defeated at the hands of your charming way of presenting bullshit.
That being said however, serving crap on a plate doesn't make it a steak.
Your reasononing in your attempts to prove Kiffin worthy of the title he has been bestowed are laughable. Are we to be proud of the fact that Kiffin is our coach because he chose not to resign? Why would he quit? He took the job because of the money. If he had any loyalty it wouldn't have taken him mere moments to leave his current job as OC at Southern Cal. He would have earned a professional job eventually no doubt coaching at USC. Conversely, are we to be proud of the fact that his first win came, as you so eloquently mentioned, at the hands of a dishonorable tactic. A tactic which should be removed from the NFL entirely. Calling a timeout to earn a victory is hardly coaching. It screams tempertantrum. If you can't win the game without icing the kicker, then you don't deserve to win the game at all. Kickers....lol
This interaction has been fun, and I know we understand one another. You will not change my mind, and I will not change yours. At least not on this day!
Kiffin is an average NFL coach, no more, no less. "Even a hawk is an eagle in the company of crows"
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#30
Posted by Bill, August 5, 2008 5:12 AM
Mr Mojo, You brought up a GREAT point. I coach football myself at the HS level. The best a coach can do is adjust his game plan to win. The Raiders lost to KC and Denver in their first meeting. Coach Kiffin adjusted and got the job done the second time around. I was also at that last Charger game. We were in it until the end WITH A ROOKIE QB! Coach E is probabley just a x USC football player that Kiffin had rideing the bench.
#31
Posted by MrMojo4321, August 5, 2008 6:24 AM
Coach Elkins,
Ok, one less point of contention, that timeout/icing/whatever situation should be banned from the game. It's anticlimactic at best, incredibly annoying at worst. Plus when I think about it, I get that visual of Lynch and Shanahan standing on the sidelines stealing one. Personally, I think Lynch had already taken enough from us, so that is what it is. The fact that you don't like a rule morally, or for whatever reason, doesn't mean you don't have to abide by it. Lane took advantage of the situation, and it's tough to argue with the results. As you point out, there is a lot of money at stake, one more loss and the coaching carousel continues. Speaking of deserving to win as you put it, the Colts didn't deserve to win in Oakland last year, but they did. Deserving to win is a much harder stat to keep track of, than actual wins. You seem rational enough Coach E, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered; in your own words Kiffin is an average NFL coach, no more, no less. Average doesn't deserve muckraking. You want bad coaching see Marvin Lewis. How does that man still have a job? Personally, I think Lane is a better than average coach with the potential for greatness. He made a bad team look respectable, lets see if he can make a so-so team look good. In closing, 8-8 or better, the beer is on you.
Bill thanks for expressing my point better than I did. Which is quite humbling.
One Nation...
#32
Posted by Rob Calonge, August 5, 2008 8:28 AM
Coach, MrMojo, and Bill - That was one of the best back and forth exchanges that I've seen on any message board anywhere. All classy, all smart, and all full of smack. EXCELLENT posts to all of you!
#33
Posted by Mike49er, August 5, 2008 11:32 AM
# LDizzle says:
August 4th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Wow Mikewhiner leads a useless existence. He writes these novel long comments and no one cares what he has to say. And some (like myself) never read his comments anyway regardless of length. Depraved of attention his whole life, he just wishes someone would listen. And to think this comment I am writing is the most anyone will ever care about him. Poor witto guy.
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What you mean is your sorryass got all flustered back when you attempted a meek, weak attempt.
Hey, you got shot down. Your idiot takes were viewed as just that.
Not only that, also exposed your sorryass as someone who gets slapped on by rivals AND Raider fans.
Of course you have nothing to say. You're an idiot. Idiot's always wave that white flag, feigning ignorance.
In your case, it's not feigning, now, is it?
now shut up and quit pretending that you COULD have a reply, if only something came to mind.
#34
Posted by Rob Calonge, August 5, 2008 8:54 PM
Mike49er: To be honest, Eggo, the info here has exactly been ground shaking or even approaching revelation stage.Read: BORING.
I mean, honestly, besides agreeing with YOU/ME that I was right regarding Walker, Kelly, and Harris??? I mean, even you knew that, right? lol…how could you not?
Mike49er: In other words you subscribe to the “Babble incoherently knowing the masses knows no better” mode of posting? Yeah…I know.
Let's wait until the season to annoint you as the all knowing hater that you want to portray yourself as when it comes to the players you mentioned. As a matter of fact, for as many Raiders boards as you troll, I'd be disappointed if you hadn't picked up that take from at least one person in the Nation. In other words, you're taking credit for well known concerns...So? As for the rest about TFDS, CRITICS! We get them here all of the time...NEXT!
Mike49er: I’m always good. Sometimes I’m better. Even when I’m not at par with other days, still are moments to reflect on with never ending awe.Cursed that way as well. :)
As far as “reply is weak’???
I don’t know…pretty much called it on Kelly…DIDN’T I?
Harris?? lmao…stated over and over and over how stupid that signing was, only to have idiots like LDitzle, Patricia, and others whine about how Cable was the cat’s meow and would rectify that sorry tackle, post haste. Didn’t happen.
Walker? lol…should I even proceed???
Oh C'mon MICHELLE! I really hate to tell people that they suck, but both of your rants do. [IN GIRL'S VOICE] "I told you about Kelly...I told you about Walker...[END GIRL'S VOICE] Give it a break! If that's your only claim to why you know more than most Raiders fans, that's just sad. I've just responded to half of your post and you're still going on about the Raiders signings...talk about BOOOORRRINNNNNG!
Mike49er: Fabulous camp??? LMAO..according to who…YOU AND PATRICK??? Read the blogs. Read the takes. Seems he’s the interception king, last I read.Besides…”CAMP”????? Isn’t that where all of you, in the not so distant past, stated loud and clear Walter was YOUR FUTURE???
Yeah..was during “camp”…where no one bitchslaps a qb to the ground..where everyone tends to blather on because they made a routine pass..almost giddy on a completion, as if it’s this great big accomplishment.
Seems Walter is a “look good during camp AND ONLY DURING CAMP” kind of player.
If I'm not mistaken, ALL of the quarterbacks in the league are judged with the same limitations...including yours. Circular argument there MICHELLE.
Mike49er: Aaron Rogers??? The guy taken 26TH IN THE DRAFT?? That hasn’t started a SINGLE GAME IN HIS CAREER??? You don’t even know if he can play, much less if the Niners and the whole league made a mistake passing on him.See? That’s what I mean…WEAK.
Smith was easily the best qb available. It’s not whether or not he’s struggles, just like it won’t be labeled a huge mistake for the Raiders when Russell turns out to be a total bust. He was viewed as the obvious choice at #1, just like Russell was.
You're kidding right? Smith wasn't the undoubted number one QB, let alone number one pick. Ok MICHELLE, I take it that you're not a draftnick, so let me just tell you that many of the draft experts weren't sure either one was worth the first pick, that's why Rodgers went 24th, not 26th,(another mistake on your part - actually two-fold since you claim to NEVER make them). Go ahead and keep belieiving that the 49ers have better QB's. The only QB on your roster, that has ever had any success in the league is a 7 year journeyman that played well a couple of games last season and he'll be backing up the other 7 year journeyman with zero experience, except that he came with the O-Coordinator. Good luck with that MICHELLE.
#35
Posted by IN J-RUSS WE TRUST, August 5, 2008 10:05 PM
ah man, i loved seeing bo jack run over that poor bronco, but where was the one where he handled "the bos" on the goal line. look the loser is back spending way way too much time on here. if you have kids lke i've seen people comment on, don't you think you should, you know pend some time with them.or is too late, and they already hate you.are you a failure in not only your professional life as you are in your personal life. thats so sad michelle
#36
Posted by Mike49er, August 5, 2008 11:58 PM
Mike49er: To be honest, Eggo, the info here has exactly been ground shaking or even approaching revelation stage.
Read: BORING.
I mean, honestly, besides agreeing with YOU/ME that I was right regarding Walker, Kelly, and Harris??? I mean, even you knew that, right? lol…how could you not?
Mike49er: In other words you subscribe to the “Babble incoherently knowing the masses knows no better” mode of posting? Yeah…I know.
Eggo: Let’s wait until the season to annoint you as the all knowing hater that you want to portray yourself as when it comes to the players you mentioned.
Mike49er: Eggo? Are you flustered? I sense a tenseness..an almost resigning yourself to the fact it’s not going so well.
You ok, pumpkin?
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Eggo: As a matter of fact, for as many Raiders boards as you troll, I’d be disappointed if you hadn’t picked up that take from at least one person in the Nation. In other words, you’re taking credit for well known concerns…So?
Mike49er: Bullshit. Been stating it SINCE DAY ONE.
Talk about weak?
That’s your reply? That “Oh..uh..ok…guess you were right all along…BUT..other Raider fans feel the same way?”
Weak…even for you…sorryass weak.
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Mike49er: I’m always good. Sometimes I’m better. Even when I’m not at par with other days, still are moments to reflect on with never ending awe.
Cursed that way as well.
As far as “reply is weak’???
I don’t know…pretty much called it on Kelly…DIDN’T I?
Harris?? lmao…stated over and over and over how stupid that signing was, only to have idiots like LDitzle, Patricia, and others whine about how Cable was the cat’s meow and would rectify that sorry tackle, post haste. Didn’t happen.
Walker? lol…should I even proceed???
Egoo: Oh C’mon MICHELLE! I really hate to tell people that they suck, but both of your rants do. [IN GIRL’S VOICE] “I told you about Kelly…I told you about Walker…[END GIRL’S VOICE] Give it a break! If that’s your only claim to why you know more than most Raiders fans, that’s just sad. I’ve just responded to half of your post and you’re still going on about the Raiders signings…talk about BOOOORRRINNNNNG!
Mike49er: Awww…LMAO…look at Eggo? All flustered that he’s got nothing in reply??…see..it was YOU and the above mentioned fools who kept on crowing about Walker, and Kelly, and Harris. Now??? Now that YOU’RE writing about Walker already being a waste, Kelly being a fatass, and Harris getting beat like a drum…all that I stated from day one, you get your little panties all in a bunch? Lol…
ABOVE you post “You probably got that from another Raider board” meaning you hate the fact I’m right..but now you run that as your reply? AND ONLY THAT REPLY???
You need a blanky, Eggo?
Kind of funny watching you all tense and irritable…trying to downplay it.
Not working so well, is it?
Hey, you’re a Raider fan…keep drinking the kool aid..keep spreading the cheer, Eggo…time enough for backtracking later.
#37
Posted by Rob Calonge, August 6, 2008 12:48 AM
Jeeze Michelle aka Mike49er - I was really planning on continuing this back and forth with you, but your really acting like a 49er fan. Irritated? Yeah, Ok, I'm irritated Michelle. Thanks for stopping by.
BTW - Kiper was completely disagreeing with drafting Smith with the first pick and said that if the 49ers waited until the second round, they'd probably get either one. Nobody said they HAD to draft a QB with the first pick, they said they UNDERSTOOD it. That's Ok, call me out for proof without providing it yourself...just like a whiner.
Another thing - The day of the signing of KWAME HARRIS -both Patrick and I said WTF if they plan on making him the starter. About Walker -Same, but laid our faith in the team (what else can you do? Raiders don't cry all the time like you guys).
You know Michelle, you argue like a girl too. When someone else starts making fun of you the same way you do to everyone else, you automatically try to put them on the defensive by calling them angry. For me to get angry would mean that I care...sorry Michelle, I don't. I do care that you keep coming back though so thanks for doing that. :-)
#38
Posted by Mike49er, August 6, 2008 11:16 AM
Eggo: Let’s wait until the season to annoint you as the all knowing hater that you want to portray yourself as when it comes to the players you mentioned.
Mike49er: Eggo? Are you flustered? Awwww…did I hurt your widdle feelings about ‘boring”?? lol…it appears by your following comments, I did.
I sense a tenseness..
You ok, pumpkin?
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Eggo: As a matter of fact, for as many Raiders boards as you troll, I’d be disappointed if you hadn’t picked up that take from at least one person in the Nation. In other words, you’re taking credit for well known concerns…So?
Mike49er: Bullshit. Been stating it SINCE DAY ONE.
Talk about weak?
That’s your reply? That “Oh..uh..ok…guess you were right all along…BUT..other Raider fans ON OTHER BOARDS feel the same way, so you probably got it from them?”
Weak…even for you…sorryass weak.
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Egoo: Oh C’mon MICHELLE!
Mike49er: How cute. MICHELLE?? In capital letters, no less?
Awesome retort, Eggo. Boy, you sure got me there, lol
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Egoo: I really hate to tell people that they suck, but both of your rants do. [IN GIRL’S VOICE] “I told you about Kelly…I told you about Walker…[END GIRL’S VOICE] Give it a break! If that’s your only claim to why you know more than most Raiders fans, that’s just sad. I’ve just responded to half of your post and you’re still going on about the Raiders signings…talk about BOOOORRRINNNNNG!
Mike49er: Yep...I was right..the "boring" hurt your feelings,
Awww…LMAO…look at Eggo? All flustered that he’s got nothing in reply??…see..it was YOU and the above mentioned fools who kept on crowing about Walker, and Kelly, and Harris.
Now???
Now that YOU’RE writing about Walker already being a waste, Kelly being a fatass, and Harris getting beat like a drum…all that I stated from day one, you get your little panties all in a bunch?
…
ABOVE you post “You probably got that from another Raider board” meaning you hate the fact I’m right..but now you run that as your reply? AND ONLY THAT REPLY???
You need a blanky, Eggo?
Kind of funny watching you all tense and irritable…trying to downplay it.
Not working so well, is it?
#39
Posted by Mike49er, August 6, 2008 11:21 AM
What the hell is it with the time delay on posts?
And no, you weren't plan on continuing it.
You're a "pick one little tiny thing out" to reply to type of poster.
When you FEEL YOU HAVE A POINT, then you step up.
When you're wrong, you rarely if ever step up.
Hell, lol..as I recall you initially waited for others to speak for you, when I first wandered these ways...that won't change.
Did find out one thing though...you're sooo sensitive, lol.
#40
Posted by IN J-RUSS WE TRUST, August 6, 2008 3:27 PM
michelle said he was busy, but yet in a few minutes he responds with another comment. whats wrong did you use up your credit card on your favorite porn sites, and can't afford to pay the minimum payment to juice up card. and bring on your weak ass qb's smith, hill, o'sullivan .doesn't matter whoever the loser is chris long is going to put him on his back twice a year.
#41
Posted by raiders1, August 6, 2008 5:06 PM
RAIDERS ALL THE WAY BABY (kiffin rocks) just gimmee some football!
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