October 30, 2008
John Lannan - All-Time Wins Leader?
On mlb.com Bill Ladson's Monday mailbag (yes it's Thursday but some of us have real jobs. It's hard to think of a blog post and work a deep fryer at the same time, thank you very much) Bill made this carrrrrazy assertion about John Lannan's future.
I like Lannan's makeup. This is one guy who is more into team victories than his own numbers. It also helps that he had 23 quality starts last year. I would not be surprised if he eventually became the Nationals' all-time leader in victories.
OK, let's assume for a minute that he's not talking about the Nationals/Expos. While it's not a huge number, Steve Rogers' 158 franchise record still would require about 13 years of 12+ wins. Again - it may not seem like a lot (it's like 214th all time or something) but when you are talking about for one team that makes it tough. A quick count of the most wins by a pitcher for a single team in the NL puts Rogers total at #37 tied with Ol' Burleigh Grimes. IF we cut it to NL post-war he'd be up to #19.
Anyway, I'm getting past my point, which is it's hard to win that many games for one team.
So assuming Ladson mean the 2005+ Nationals, what does Lannan need to be the All-Time leader in wins?
Right now John Lannan has 11 wins for the Nationals - that puts him at tied for 8th all time in the Nats short history. Who's he tied with? John Patterson, Ramon "One Season" Oritz, Joel Hanrahan, and Luis Ayala.
It'll take a mere single victory for Lannan to hit the next spot in the Nats leaderboard - tying 3 famous Washington hurlers for 5th with 12 wins. Esteban "Also One Season" Loaiza, Chad Cordero, and Saul Rivera. (Yes there are a lot of relievers on this list so far, Yes it is sad).
Right now, one more vitory would catapult Lannan into a 4th place tie but expect this battle to possibly go on all season, because the current lonesome #4 all time is Tim Redding, with 13 wins. I hope he resigns so we can watch these guys battle back and forth up the list all season long! What thrills!
Now we are down to the top 3. While #1 is obvious, prepare to be a bit saddened by #2 and #3.
Alone in 3rd place with 16 vicotries as a National to his name is...Tony Armas? Yep that's right - despite a Nationals ERA of 5.00 (and that boy earned that ERA) he still managed to put together a 7 and a 9 win season. Let that be a lesson to you - being healthy is important.
In second place with 18 all time Nats win is...Jon Rauch! Yep the Nats 2nd all-time wins leader is a reliever, who's lifetime total of wins over 4 years matches a very good single season by a starting pitcher. Hooray for the Nats.
And #1 is, you guessed it, Livan! 24 wins in two years. Come back! We don't mind that you suck!
So John Lannan needs 14 wins (assuming Redding isn't around picking up 11+ wins) to be the "Washington Nationals" all-time wins leader. That could happen next year but more likely two blah seasons on a mediocre squad will give him the numbers he needs. Of course a young gun can come in and pass him, but chances are he'll hold the title for at least a short period of time.
Other things not to be surprised by - Manny Acta being the Nationals all-time leader in wins. Ryan Zimmerman being the Nats all-time leader in HRs (he took the lead this year - take that "True Nat" Soriano!), and Ted Lerner in all-time money spent by a Nationals owner on his team without thinking about the business reasoning for it, he's up to $17.45!
Discussion
3 Comments on "John Lannan - All-Time Wins Leader?"
#1
Posted by Bryan, October 30, 2008 4:48 PM
After watching game 5, I'm not sure they shouldn't make all baseball games 4 innings long. Aaaaannnnyyyywayyyyyy ...
I hope, really hope, Ladsen was talking about the Nats/Expos. He couldn't honestly have been talking about a "all-time" leader of a 4-year old franchise, could he? Tell me he couldn't. Please.
I think its a no-brainer that Redding resigns. I mean, he has a chance to become the teams "all-time" leader in wins. Why would he leave with taht kind of legacy on the line?
#2
Posted by Harper Gordek, October 30, 2008 7:35 PM
Baseball should adjust to the starting pitcher. They can't go much more than 7 innings now so - games should only be 7 innings long. Yeah - it'll hurt some counting stats but hey who's...umm...counting...
As for Ladson it's a pick your poison situation - either he's talking about all-time leaders for a 4 yr old franchise or he wouldn't be surprised if John Lannan ends up among the top 250 pitchers of all time in wins and does it all for the Nationals.
(there is a third more rational option - but I don't want to give it away)
#3
Posted by Bryan, October 31, 2008 4:15 PM
7 inning games. I like it. As for hurting some counting stats, what's the difference? Most of MLB's record books are a fraud at this point anyway. What's one more? A 7-inning game makes each HR more important, while lowering the total number. Aligning the game with historical standards and allowing pitchers to catch up. Its funny - the NFL has drastically altered its game in the last 50 or so years, from the forward pass to new pass intereference rules. Those changes drastically altered the game.
The only thing MLB has done is to look the other way on steriods. Shortening the game to 7 innings adjusts for the new, bulked up hitters (even excluding the steroid effect) and the reality that pitchers can't/don't pitch more than 107 pitches anymore. Plus it would cut down on the number of cr@ppy relievers on each team.
The only downside I can think of is that about half of your posts "in season" deal with how our relievers are on track to pitch in 300 games & 600 innings/year.
















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