NBA All-Time vs. Foreign-Born All-Time: A Real World Series

All this commentary about Paul Pierce’s self-ranking, the Redeem Team’s mission in Beijing, and NBA defections to Europe has inspired me to select rosters of the dozen all-time greatest NBA/ABA performers, to see if an all-time international unit would stack up well against them. A decade ago, the very idea would have been preposterous. Today, as more international players figure in NBA All-Star Game balloting, it’s interesting to see how far the best of the rest have come. Bear in mind these lists represent place of birth, so some of the international dozen moved as youth, or became American citizens. FWIW- Kobe Bryant was born in The States. Within each squad, the players are not listed here by rank or relative merit, but by position. Therefore, in no particular order, my all-time World Series of Basketball rosters:

ALL-USA

C Bill Russell, NBA- Leadership, big game focus, the ultimate defensive stopper.

F Larry Bird, NBA- Ballhandling ability, great court vision, deep shooter

F Elgin Baylor, NBA- Creative, tremendous rebounder, averaged more than 34 ppg. three times

G Michael Jordan, NBA- Clutch performer, long defender, explosive scorer

G Oscar Roberston, NBA- Savvy passer, averaged 30 ppg and 10 rpg, 10 apg for six yrs.

F Julius Erving, ABA/NBA- Attacks basket, long striding, underrated passer and handler

G Jerry West, NBA- tenacious defender, big game shooter, stops on dime

C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, NBA- six titles, unstoppable in prime, durable on both ends

G Earvin Johnson, NBA- impossible matchup, genius passer, dictates to defense

F Karl Malone, NBA- mammoth presence, consistent shooter, finisher

G Isiah Thomas, NBA- quicksilver, tough as nails, winner at every level

C Wilt Chamberlain, NBA- Herculean, inside-outside game, never tires

ALL-WORLD

C- Hakeem Olajuwon, NBA/Nigeria- 100 moves, great shot blocker, smart passer

F- Dirk Nowitzki, NBA/Germany- verstatile scorer, good handles, tough to match up

F- Tim Duncan, NBA/Virgin Islands- inside/outside game, top defender, heady player

G- Steve Nash, NBA/South Africa-Canada- cat-quick, great distributor, huge motor

G- Drazen Petrovic, NBA/Crotia- dynamic shooter, pro cred, zone buster

G- Butch Lee, NBA/Puerto Rico- great penetrator, streetball chops, NCAA champ

F- Oscar Schmidt, Brazil- unflappable, ageless, long range sniper with size

C- Pat Ewing, NBA/Jamaica- lane defender, steady jumpshooter, runs floor well

G- Sarunas Marciulionis, NBA/Lithuania- big guard, determined scorer, pro/world rep

C- Arvydas Sabonis, NBA/Lithuania- passing wiz, adds inside depth, phenom in prime

F- Kresmir Cosic, Yugoslavia- BYU star, international legend, confident scorer

C- Yao Ming, NBA/China- Another big to face Russell, Wilt and Kareem

Intriguing contest. The U.S. has the defensive advantage, particularly in transition, and both teams boast giants who can pass. Under international rules, however, we know movement away from the basketball, well-timed passes and cohesiveness trump dunks (see last two Olympic Games). The Yanks have the versatile types to overcome the usual translation problem between the NBA and FIBA game style. Were this a post ‘96 US-World All-Star faceoff, I’d give the backdoor-cutting internationals the edge (and no, Carmelo Anthony was not born in Puerto Rico). With the teams I selected, the World’s best shot would be to alternate a tiny Nash-Lee backcourt, fearless and attacking, with a larger Marciulionis-Petrovic tandem, unguardable from the perimeter. Duncan, Ewing and Hakeem would have to play Wilt, Russ and Kareem almost even for the game to be competitive. FIBA rules allow plenty contact.

Yao wouldn’t get much burn against those NBA Top 50 types, but he’s suited up to draw a giant away from the basket in a pinch. Hakeem, Sabonis and Duncan feed cutting teammates better than the American pivots- could Oscar (the Brazilian one, not “The Big O”) and his deadeye mates sink enough shots off screens to down the Hall of Famers? A best-of-seven series would tell. Most American  fans never peeped Schmidt or Sabonis at their respective bests, but the same could be said of “Doc”.

Here’s a major distinction- the indefatigable will shared by Russell and Jordan. While it’s fun to speculate, there are two major points. Prior to 1988, U.S. Olympic teams, limited primarily to collegians and industrial (the old AAU- Phillips 66′ers, Akron Goodyears, Peoria Caterpillars) players, were rarely even challenged by an Olympic or Pan Am Games opponent. The Yugoslavs, Puerto Ricans (led by “Butch” Lee) and Brazilians put up the occasional stern test. The world has bridged the gap somewhat, even though the Olympics now allow American pros. Of course, pre-’88 national teams from Europe and the Caribbean featured adult professionals. History is on the American side, but recent history favors a mix of shooters, passers and bangers whose strengths are suited to international rules.

BCB

13 Responses to “NBA All-Time vs. Foreign-Born All-Time: A Real World Series”

  1. Joe Loudmouth says:

    August 7th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Nice job though a bit surprised to see Isiah there. Stockton or Cousy probably would be a better choice. Actually the only way the world could win is if Isiah became the coach. Or general manager.Or president.

  2. Bijan C. Bayne says:

    August 7th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    JoeL:

    I thought about Stockton, but Zeke was quicker, a more dangerous scorer, and Bird, Oscar and Magic have eyes in the backs of their respective heads- so there’s less of a need f/ #12’s skill set.

    Alternates for US would be Clyde Drexler, Elvin Hayes, Pete Maravich and Nate Thurmond. Int’l alternates would be Detlef Schrempf, Manu Ginobli, Rolando Blackman and Tony Parker.

  3. Tom Evans says:

    August 8th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    as good as the World’s team is, you just put Russell, Bird, MJ and the Big O on the floor together. not even close.

    I’d be tempted to “go small” and put Magic out there with them.

  4. Amar Panchmatia says:

    August 8th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    With Nash and The Dream, I’m taking the world.

    Nice piece, by the way. I enjoyed reading it.

  5. Celticsfanatic says:

    August 8th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    Excellent choices, though I would have rather seen either Jason Kidd, Kevin Garnett, Bob Cousy, John Stockton, or Moses Malone in place of Isiah. Shocking not to see Kobe on the foreign team, but all in all, great story.

  6. Michael says:

    August 8th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Great article, Bijan. I would love to see something like this even if it’s current players.

  7. Bijan Bayne says:

    August 8th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Tom:

    You’re right- the pre’75 guys were kings…

    Amar:

    Thanks

    CF:

    I have Isiah there largely due to his tenacity and his postseason spunk. I did conside Kobe on the Int’ls- that would even it up some.

    Michael:

    If we do current guys, under FIBA rules, The World wins.

  8. Celticsfanatic says:

    August 8th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Good point. But, as a addition to the article some other honorable mentions could be Shaq, possibly LeBron (but he’s too young to tell), as a desperate addition you could say AI, Pete Maravich, maybe George Gervin and David Robinson, but of course, with only fifteen players chosen, there may never be the perfect set.

  9. Bijan Bayne says:

    August 8th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    CF:

    Pistol Pete is one of my four American alternates. He is probably the most skilled player who ever lived (not the best player- the most technically sound- think Ted Williams as a hitter).

  10. maw says:

    August 9th, 2008 at 3:44 am

    Very interesting article. As good as the World team is, the Yanks team have the best players to ever step on a basketball court. It’s almost unfair to put Jordan, Baylor, and Big “O” on one team. As for Isiah, we may hate on him now, but back then he was the best player on the 2-time champion bad boys of Detroit.

  11. BULL4EVER says:

    August 9th, 2008 at 7:46 am

    The damn good old hated U.S.A against the world regarding sports, let’s debate this, the U.S has always been the second-most hated nation, Israel has always been the most hated of course because they have always been the most powerful nation on the face of this earth.The U.S has always been hated because Americans have always been the kings of sports and athleticm, and because they have always been the second-most powerful nation on earth.No one is more powerful than Israel when it comes to military strength and no one is better the U.S when it comes to sports and athleticm.

  12. Bijan Bayne says:

    August 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    maw:

    Yes- people may despise Isiah as a coach, g.m., defendant, and personnel man, but he helped lead Indiana to one of their last two NCAA titles, and helped revive a floundering Piston franchise. He played hurt in the Big Ten and the NBA, and was generally the smallest man on the court.

    He’s the best player under 6′1″ in the history of the game.

  13. Tom Evans says:

    August 12th, 2008 at 5:34 am

    current guys would be interesting.

    I think if this current USA team could actually play together as a team for a year, they’d be pretty unstoppable.

    look at this year’s first team all-NBA team, all five are American

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